Season 11 ELO

[eldryan]

What about allowing players to bet additional ELO on games - like 100 ELO says we win this game?? As far as just "different" that seems like something a lot of people often want to do, but aren't allowed to.

Can weight this via activity to create a spendable betting allowance by having bettable ELO as 1/10 ELO that you've won that season - with a maximum of 1/10 your current ELO. ie. if you've played 175 games and are 1000 ELO you can bet 100, if you've played 40 games and are 1000 ELO you can bet 30.

Once you've spent your allowance it's lost, and ELO won = 0.

Obviously would create some imbalance in the rankings but at least it would reward something more substantial (eg. balls) than activity alone.

[supersexyy]

Worst elo suggestion we've ever had by a long shot. You don't see any leagues in any sport which allow betting, and for good reason.

[eldryan]

Worst elo suggestion by a long shot. You don't see any leagues in any sport which allow betting, and for good reason.

ELO will be a joke if it's activity based in a shuffle based league...Right now yea, 55% vs 58% seems like a big skill difference. That won't be true with all games 15/15 and shuffle. People complain about farming noobs now... imagine with all 15/15 games and no ELO balance? I won't be surprised to see players hitting 75% w/l with no elo to balance.

Fail to see how keeping the current ELO and allowing betting even remotely approaches this as far as deconstructing ELO value. Also, I think you miss the point. Obviously ELO loses all meaning if you take out balancing games and just consider it by w/l. This at least maintains some value within ELO, while allowing for more flexibility in activity rewards and ELO gains. The purpose isn't to "improve" ELO, obviously it lessens the rating value.

Edit: For the record, poker leagues obviously allow betting. And if we go into esports being considered sports, fantasy leagues etc. obviously also allow it. Since you also edited in "ever", I guess this is worse than using ELO to punish every rule violation with the reporter being rewarded (shrimp no.1 all time)?

[aRt)Y]

Afaik betting leagues are separated from actual leagues. I hightly doubt any esports league actually allows betting to influence to the total outcome. You, as a third party, would prolly be able to bet and earn/lose money.

That said, it's a league which is supposed to be based on skill. If you play many games, well, then you win many. I havent read all posts about the activity part, however, betting in a league at ENT is a no-go for me.

[eldryan]

Afaik betting leagues are separated from actual leagues. I hightly doubt any esports league actually allows betting to influence to the total outcome. You, as a third party, would prolly be able to bet and earn/lose money.

That said, it's a league which is supposed to be based on skill. If you play many games, well, then you win many. I havent read all posts about the activity part, however, betting in a league at ENT is a no-go for me.

Poker is a betting league? To add more with respect to esports, obviously high risk maneuvers are generally rewarded more than low risk in many games. This would just be putting a value on it in LIHL.

[supersexyy]

This is a suggestion which just will not happen. Archiving.

[eldryan]

This is a suggestion which just will not happen. Archiving.

Rather premature, as literally 0 active players have commented...

[aRt)Y]

That's because poker itself is all about betting. Bad comparsion, in my opinion. You should find a better one which is not 100% based on betting to justify the same league to be influnced by a) the real outcome and b) the betting result.

A fantasy league, however, would be fine.

[aRt)Y]

Even if it wont happen, it wont hurt discussing about it. This is a forum after all.

[eldryan]

That's because poker itself is all about betting. Bad comparsion, in my opinion. You should find a better one which is not 100% based on betting to justify the same league to be influnced by a) the real outcome and b) the betting result.

A fantasy league, however, would be fine.

I included the esports example of risk/reward values to compare, as currently you can't actually risk ELO in a balanced fashion (you can join a -29 game, but there's no point). In games such as hearthstone, you can bet tokens in a "card-draw" scenario that if you win more than 3 games without losing 3 games, you will get much larger prizes than winning many games in normal mode. If you win 12, you get a great prize. If you win 0, you get basically 0. Forget the name...

[supersexyy]

Not really the point that zero active players have commented. Betting elo is fundamentally wrong for obvious reasons.

Can't tell if you're trolling again but I'll archive this in 24 hours to reduce forum spam.

[eldryan]

For the record, the drawback I see most clearly is in structure, not the betting. This would of course have to be anonymous and without anyone seeing the bet is happening while the game is in play.

There's already captain modes, which will be hilarious potential once "all games 15/15" is introduced.