[DotA] Luckbox7@USEAST

[Astros]

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 707441.w3g
Game Name: [Ent] Dota Arem us/ca #14
Your Warcraft III Username: zamarok
Violator's Warcraft III Username: luckbox7
Violated Rule(s): maphack
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): 22:00, blinks to Warlock spot on without vision.
27:30, knows exactly where I go, turns when I turns.
28:00, avoids everyone perfectly.
30:50, avoids everyone again. Pink puts up ward and he turns exact same time.
33:00, uses his courier to avoid getting spotted. Doesn't seem to do that when there aren't wards. Knew exactly how to avoid it getting spotted.
35:35, might seem like a coincidence but judging by his previous actions, I doubt it.
Any further thoughts:

[KochamKesi]

Yeah luckbox7 is an bad ass naap ^^

[AmnoN]

I don't think he is hacking -
He pinged the area he was going towards and then figured out that it was a bad idea to engage (probably would not have pinged or headed over there is he had maphack since he would already know that it was a bad idea).
(26:20 / Allied) luckbox7: top of hill
(26:31 / Allied) luckbox7: nope
(26:33 / Allied) luckbox7: they all there
(26:55 / Allied) luckbox7: b
(26:55 / Allied) luckbox7: b

22:00 - Not really seeing the issue

27:30, 28:00 - Not seeing what you saw.

Check 29:50

30:50 - He was dead at this time - not seeing how

33:00 - Not seeing it - If he was using a MH, he probably could have sniped grey with dagger (you accused him of a maphack-related teleport earlier) since he was really low health

35:35 - Again, not seeing it

I do not see Luckbox7 hacking so if I were a mod, I would be inclined to deny this ban request. I also did not get any fogclicks from Luckbox7 - see below for log which includes glitches in fogclick detector.

[HazarDous]

@AmnoN

Did you check both in-game and replay timers?

[AmnoN]

I used the fogclick detector while watching replay and checked fog log after. Yes, I use the time on both the bottom corner of the in-game screen in addition to the fast forward tool - I also watch for about 30 seconds prior to the reported time in case they made a mistake on time (rounding) and to get context so that I know if the movement "makes sense" or looks more suspicious (like maphack).

[Astros]

Use the in-game timer. Way too suspicious.

[AmnoN]

@chineseeagle @hazardous going over it now (using in-game instead of replay timer)

[AmnoN]

@

Below timestamps are based on in-game timer:
22:30 - The blink did seem a bit suspicious but it is possible that he knew where you were going based on where you were before
^Suspicious but no fogclick confirmation and need more data (from below) to make a determination

27:30-27:54 - I do not see any maphack there. He had you in his vision most of the time.

28:00-29:00 - I do not see him avoiding (checked by toggling between fog being on and off)

30:50-31:00 - It did seem a little odd since he sort of started moving into the sight range of the ward but changed to take a slightly longer route back
^Questionable but no confirmation yet

35:40 - He probably saw the arrow you shot at him

Other notes:
(26:20 / Allied) luckbox7: top of hill
(26:31 / Allied) luckbox7: nope
(26:33 / Allied) luckbox7: they all there
(26:55 / Allied) luckbox7: b
(26:55 / Allied) luckbox7: b
^above text points towards no maphack (take about 1:30 off to get in-game times)

31:30 - If he was using a MH, he probably could have sniped grey with dagger since he was really low health (you accused him of a maphack-related teleport earlier)

After further review using DOTA (in-game) timer, overall, I am inclined to say that he probably does not maphack but it may be worth keeping an eye on since there were some "questionable" actions which could have been coincidence/luck - there were not any fog clicks by him and some instances where he would have benefitted greatly if he would have taken advantage of the maphack (listed above under "other notes").

[Astros]

Enough of the fogclick crap. If we go by that logic, no one here will be getting banned for any maphacking requests. Again, I checked the replay and he doesn't behave the same when there are zero wards in an area. When there is a ward (somehow he knows they are there), he takes extra precaution in what he does (ex: sends the courier around the entire map just to get to the secret shop). If he knew there was a ward there, why didn't he inform his team? Because that would have been a questionable assumption from him seeing as he knew there was a ward there but had no dewarding himself. He also avoids heading into that direction of the ward at 30:50-31:00 but check his previous actions when there were NO wards, he nonchalantly starts hanging around that area.
27:30-27:54, he had vision of me going back to the base for a partial amount of time but if you follow my movements while in fog, he does the exact same turns as I do. There was zero indication of me turning to the woods but he does so at the same time I do. Even when he blinks to me on 24:45, there was zero vision of me there.

22:30, he doesn't have vision of pink for a good amount of time. He somehow daggers into him perfectly? That's way too suspicious.

27:50-29:00, he avoids everyone perfectly. He is about to turn bot, notices my team heading that way and turns back up. Also notice how on 27:57-27:59, Shredder uses his ulti and Luci can't see it but somehow, Luci daggers to avoid it.

31:30, why would he come after me there? That would have made it incredibly obvious. I said he maphacked but that doesn't mean he will use maphack plays every time. What he did was uses maphack when he had to -- which is what makes it incredibly difficult to catch hackers. He however made way too many questionable/suspect plays this game that are all too lucky. 10/10 he used dagger to chase the kill without fog, he got it.


35:35-35:40, he can't even see my arrow traveling to him but starts moving before he even sees it. My arrow was in fog but he starts moving already as it almost hits him.


Additional proof: 0:45-0:55, he knew the rune was at bot somehow and already starts using his bottle before confirming. 99% of the time, that coin is taken from both sides. Funny how he knew it wasn't and prepares to bottle already.
14:20-14:30, starts bottling again because he's going to collect the rune/coin. Never does this when there isn't a rune/coin to bottle but he knows.

I also have no idea about what you're referring to regarding him saying:

Other notes:
(26:20 / Allied) luckbox7: top of hill
(26:31 / Allied) luckbox7: nope
(26:33 / Allied) luckbox7: they all there
(26:55 / Allied) luckbox7: b
(26:55 / Allied) luckbox7: b
^above text points towards no maphack (take about 1:30 off to get in-game times)

What does this prove? That he can type and tell his team to get back because they ALL have vision of the enemy team? That points to nothing of substance.

2:15-2:25, he tells his team to b. No vision, nothing. Just saw shredder go top but at that point, his team wasn't even pushing. Zero indication of a gank going on.

Btw, if you're going to use timestamps from the bot, please state it as so. Let's use the timestamps of the game for this particular case so others won't get confused.

[HazarDous]

22:00; He had sporatic vision of warlock for a good while already. Easy to guess where he would go. Not suspicious at all.
27:00; He had vision of you during almost totality of the chase. Suspicious blink maybe since he didn't have vision of you at that time, but easy to guess.
28:00; Not sure why that's suspicious.. Where is he supposed to run when 3 people are running after him?
30:50; Hmm.. he seemed unsure where to go and yes, it looks like he tried to stay out of ward vision since he took a much longer path to go where he wanted to go. Suspicious.
33:00; @AmnoN you forgot this one? Anyway, sent his courrier to the shop in two clicks. While it might look suspicious as it clearly avoided the ward position, it might not even be related to it, as there were creeps/sight all over his base. He simply sent his courrier by the side of the map to avoid it being seen at all. Note that to bring the courrier back to him, he made it go right over the ward. Doesn't mean alot since there was no more danger for the bird anyway. Still just slightly suspicious.
35:40; Okay well, he was going to mid ANYWAY, he simply took a little pause up the hill before continuing to mid tower... Can't blame him for doing something he would have done whatsoever.

Overall, I could find these kind of ''suspicious moves'' for basically every decent DotA players out there if I looked thoroughfully through their replays. Nothing really suggests that he does maphack and as AmnoN said, if he used maphack, he could have taken advantage of it in many situations. The best example I can think of, is on the first timestamp where he blinked on warlock. Instead of blinking right on him and attack him. He literally blinked him infront of him and just kept on walking, showing he had no precise vision of pink.

Request denied.
Thanks for reporting.