Racist Account Names

[Palsgraf]

A name should not be bannable.
Blatant trolling and flaming is.

Why? This is a discussion, not a poll. A conclusory statement like this does not advance the conversation or help sway the opinion of anyone.

I'd love to hear your reasoning. Read what was written above and comment on our points.

[Toshiro088]

I only will say for that before I go outside.
For forum i think there shouldnt be any name with racist motion. There can be people (as me) who dont want to read somethink with that. I know i am small voice but it makes view of whole community as compact.
For game, its blizzard choice in registering in game, when i log in some bot to play, and see that nick, easyly i will leave the game and dont look on him and play next one. Its up to blizzard do somethink with that.
But its not the same with forum because all of use are part of this community and how we will choose it that will be. I think some anket for voting. But i can say when there will be anket about it and for example it will allow that sort of names, i will leave community, because i dont want to be part of some community which have that way of thinking.

Its all what i wanted ADD, i dont have much time now but i hope my though is clear.

[Palsgraf]

when i log in some bot to play, and see that nick, easyly i will leave the game and dont look on him and play next one.

That is exactly my point. Patently bigoted names drive away good members of the community. You can't use the !ignore feature, so your only option is to wait for a game where they aren't in the lobby. It means games will not start as quickly as they could, and it means people who are not bigoted have to go somewhere else. Shouldn't we change the dynamic? Shouldn't we send the bigoted players elsewhere and encourage the non-bigoted players to play on our bots?

[teller55]

I think what would fix this is uakf.b made a command like !ignorename teller55 and it would make my name appear as symbols or blurred out or something.

Gosh uakf.b get on this!

@paly What I meant by "somehow offend someone" by my name, I was just using my name as an example to say what all would have to change personally for me. I know my name isn't offensive, just pretend my name is ilovedemdirty_insertRacialSlurHere

Also, ENT is just one of the 10 bots, I didn't mean all 10 were ENT's I doubt ENT would allow a name like that as a Moderator. In fact, to be honest, I fought against Nutz being a Moderator based on his name because I didn't feel it was very professional. Obviously he still made Mod, but I think if his name was ISuckBlackNutz he would have probably been denied.

[VirusHunter]

well i think toshiro was saying he doesnt care about leaving a game to wait for the next one. but he does care about on our forum. he said he would leave this community if we allow racist bigot names in our community. this is what i dont want. and believe me. people think like toshiro and will leave. we want to do our best to keep people here and more coming. with every dynamic rule change there is going to be some casualties. some people may feel that we at ent are too sensitive and dont want to play with us. which is fine, everyone has that right to think and act that way.
but others may look at us like were trying to make the right moves, and make this place a more suitable location for their kids to play. if you think that parents arent watching their kids play with us or use this forum then you are dead wrong. i know for a fact a few ppl whos parents monitor their every move online. and if you were a parent. are you gonna want to expose your son/daughter to this kind of vulgarities? i dont want my son asking me why this man puts ilynch... you get the point. maybe im too one sided for this debate. so this will be my last post.
if we dont ban the username. can we atleast make it so the forums names have to be normal non bigot names. hell even if its not normal lol. idc just leave the racism with your dad lol.

[uakf.b]

@VirusHunter, decision shouldn't be on what people will think of whatever. Also, for forum names, there _is_ the ucp.php?i=zebra&mode=foes feature.

[Toshiro088]

uakf.b: can you translate it for me what its mean that code feature, i am not good with computers and I dont know what did you mean by it.

VirusHunter: exactly i dont care leave a bot and wait for next one, everyone is free to choose what to play, with bot everyone should have chance to join a game but what will others think and do is another way, that for example I have a nickname which offend someone and its up to others to decide to play with me or not, but when I want to join some comunity, I must to know that the community can reject me, and this is why community must decide exactly we want this or not, well it depend on owner of the community site, but in finale community will look as who is in, this is why i choose a forum with comunity, I like it there, I am not here so often, but the time I was online on forum I didnt find anythink what really would have me feel uneasy, but when i find somethink like that, in first i will tell i dislike it. And in last resort i will leave the community.
Then i was posting here that i dislike racism in any way names, post and i dislike vulgarity too.
When you think to not accept in bot that type of nyme, Ok with me, but either way is if you want to let it be in bot, Ok for me is easy to wait for another one. But i am free to choose i will play that game or not and i will not play it, I play only in ent´s games, and I will wait for next one. Because even if name is stupid and offend only a little, I am not for that sort of joking.
And btw is it anyway posiblle technicaly and in manpower to ban people by name (in bot).

(I am speaking about personality of people behind the nickname not about playing according by rules or not, its other category)

I trust Ent community that there are normal people with good nature.

[uakf.b]

uakf.b: can you translate it for me what its mean that code feature, i am not good with computers and I dont know what did you mean by it.

It's a link

[Raizen]

I think offensive account names should be banned. Could be a non-ip ban to ban just the account name.
There is no need of such names and even battle.net dont allow it report.

Flame in chat can be muted and ignored. The name cannot.

[Toshiro088]

uakf.b: and ok, how does that work? I must look as total idiot but I really dont understand

[teller55]

Uakf.b, is the ignorename thing possible?

[uakf.b]

@Toshiro if you add names to the foes list, their posts on the forum will be hidden from you by default.

@teller, yes, but it might cause desyncs if the map uses the name in some way.

[teller55]

Ah yes, true, like Swat did when we tried the colored names XD

[Palsgraf]

I think this was a good discussion. Looks like we're at the tail end. Seems like ENT will be unlikely to ban patently bigoted names in their entirety. However, I propose that we at least institute a policy of considering patently bigoted names an aggravating factor when a rule is violated. Thus, if someone like "Ilynchblacks" griefs during the game, the ban should be a day or two longer than it would be if he had a name like "snowflakes".

This is in addition to Teller55's suggestion:

Now, if you have a racist name and then you make 1-2 racist comments in game, it could construe it to be "excessive racism" because they have a racist name and they made racist comments vs. if they had a non-racist name, they would have to be more racist than 1-2 comments to be considered "excessive", so you do have a way to punish people with the games if they actually intend to be racist.

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An explicit policy like this would at least discourage patently bigoted names and would also help ensure that those with such names behave themselves in-game. Thus, our policy would not be the outright ban of patently bigoted names, but rather that they are frowned upon.

Finally, as I said above, this policy should be explicit -- that is, it should be included in the rules. It should not merely be something we keep in the admin section of the forums. The purpose is to send a message and discourage patently bigoted names, and only an explicit policy would advance that goal.

I think this is a great way to strike a balance between those mods and admins who have concerns about an outright ban and those mods who would like to clean up the community a bit. I hope this is something we can all get behind.

[Toshiro088]

Yep good idea palsgraf. I am for it

uakf.b thx for explanation