Draw Rule

[FadingSuns]

Hello Guys,

I just saw what happened on that game that @Donbola left, after that i did read the game log to understand better what happened.

Well, I saw that one team was "forced" to draw because one player of the other team left. Everyone was thinking that there would be bans if the game is not draw. Well, taking into account that @Donbola's team fail sent at 15 and after that he left (when the game was already lost) i dont really see a reason to make the other team draw (i dont mean i would not draw, maybe i would, but needs to be clear if it is mandatory or not)

Really saw some people who didnt want to draw the game and some others that threated with a ban request if game is not draw... Reviewing the rules i found this:

"If a player disconnects prior to ending of level 20, it is mandatory to !draw the game, unless every player agrees to play on."

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... uide#Rules

Reading the rule I can understand that Draw is only mandatory in case of DC, wich was not the case. Could you @mods clarify to me (and to all in that game, cuz seemed is not clear for them as well) if draw was mandatory in that case? -> in case the answer is yes let me please suggest a rewording of the rule...

Cheers!

ACE

[Dong]

The rules are clear enough as they are. Dc is dc, wether it be voluntarily or not. " The game is not lost before your king is dead. "

The only scenario where it is not mandatory, is if a player leaves or dc's during a level, and that player has allready used heal. And the king die on that round.

#Clarified.

[FadingSuns]

So you say that Leave and Dc are the same thing? Because when a player leave voluntarily there is not mentioned the word "disconnection" as it is when it is not voluntarily...

[Dong]

i am telling you that the rule refers to both things. like, if you chose to leave or just lose connection, you still Disconnect from the game.. not that hard

[Lord-Miles]

Well i am totally agree with Ace here , since some 1 fail and rage quit why there should be DRAW?

[Nore]

Unfortunately, to maintain the integrity of the league, a draw in this instance is needed.. but the ban and d/c pen seem to fit, so basically you have to deal with the draw, but the player who broke the rules gets punished. It's not perfect, but there would be too much gray area if you were to try and re-word the rules to fit such a situation.

[FadingSuns]

Its not really needed a complete rewording but some extra explanation.

Change from:

If a player disconnects prior to ending of level 20, it is mandatory to !draw the game, unless every player agrees to play on.

To

If a player leaves game prior to ending of level 20, it is mandatory to !draw the game, unless every player agrees to play on.

Cheers

[MarshMallows]

make it a 1 year ban for the second offence of leaving voluntarily with option to appeal after 3 months. Simple

[Dong]

Its not really needed a complete rewording but some extra explanation.

Change from:

If a player disconnects prior to ending of level 20, it is mandatory to !draw the game, unless every player agrees to play on.

To

If a player leaves game prior to ending of level 20, it is mandatory to !draw the game, unless every player agrees to play on.

Cheers

and then, when they change that, someone else will make a new topic later, " he did not leave the game, he lost his connection, Why draw ? "

The rules are fine as they are, you asked for clarification, and you got it.. zzzz

[Diablo_]

Disconnecting = not being connected to the game anymore, doesn't matter what lead to it.
The draw is always mandatory (<= lvl 20) to keep things simple and coherent. It's often the case that both teams are sure they would have won if no dc, so how would it be decided if the game "was lost anyway" or not.

[Jamo]

We also had a situation very similar a few days back after a fail level 14 send from opponent team, someone left the game. (see dc report by Frede). I was really mad about this, but after some time you realize, it doesn't help. We probably could have ended them any level we wanted, imo, but they said differently. So, who decides if it's really a win because of one fail send? It can't be decided until you play it. If opponent team is fair and sees their lost, one can just keep playing until they lost or something, although I highly doubt anyone would not take a free draw. But not drawing such a game is probably only based on assumptions. So a draw is kind of okay imo. But, leaver should be punished when he really left instead of losing the connection.

[FadingSuns]

@Jamo: The game that you mentioned was an unintentional DC, "DC due to server failure" and it is not the same as "left voruntarily".

I agree that sometimes it is very hard to say who would won in case of a DC, and sometimes it is quite hard to say if a DC was intentional (pull plug) or not. But the thing is that in this case was 100% intentional since was a "left voluntarily".

In any case, the rule is covering both cases so not much else to add.

Cheers

[supersexyy]

2 week bans should do it

[archol]

So if you want to save ELO for your teammates just leave the game voluntary (or cause a fake disconnect to hide it better) - you only lose 6 additional ELO compared to your 3 teammates who even get 3 ELO also if its a lost game, can be easily abused as you see in Donbola case

If i would ban it for 2 weeks (for leaving voluntary or abusing it) then there will be an unban soon or later by other mods and a topic again at the admin section. Actally nearly or all my bans had to be explained there

Thus im not handling any cases anymore except in the vouching section, dc penalties in most cases and moving/deleting topics/postings

[Jamo]

@Jamo: The game that you mentioned was an unintentional DC, "DC due to server failure" and it is not the same as "left voruntarily".

I agree that sometimes it is very hard to say who would won in case of a DC, and sometimes it is quite hard to say if a DC was intentional (pull plug) or not. But the thing is that in this case was 100% intentional since was a "left voluntarily".

In any case, the rule is covering both cases so not much else to add.

Yes, i know and that's also why I post this. At the moment this happened, how could we know it was pp or not? This decision could not be made in game. So the draw rule imo is fine as it is. The rest has to be handled after the game