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[ShadowZz]

Yeah because telling you that a top tier titan shouldn't lose to an average lobby and if they are then titan should be buffed because that means the game is definitely not balanced is totally wrong. Makes complete sense guys. You're all genius's really.....

I don't understand how it is hard for someone to see that top tier titans should stomp pub lobbies. I really don't see how you can all be that naive and then gloat about it like you're all right. It genuinely bewilders me....

[Lynx]

You haven't seen a single top tier titan play.

20 Tiers of id players titan skill
Tier 1: None
Tier 2: None
Tier 3: PLus. Pongu
Tier 4: None
Tier 5: timmy, apom
Tier 6: tnfu, stealer, burn, seacow, jew
Tier 7: bloodyg, zimmer, drago, yoko, tarto, jnt
Tier 8: Nate
Tier 9: None
Tier 10: Marked
Tier 11: Lynx, Vega, Tek, Newby, Beekauzh
Tier 12: Moonie
Tier 13: None
Tier 14: None
Tier 15: None
Tier 16: lordmillt, fossurios, hotsauce
Tier 17: bti grunts
Tier 18: bti peons
Tier 19: idk
Tier 20: Pubs

I really don't think you know how good a titan you can become, you've probably only watched rusty tier 6 titan plays at the highest. Please don't come here and talk about titan skill when you very clearly don't know much.

[ImANewby]

tbh that version is the worst ive never played in my entire ID life....

[BeeKauzh]

Yeah because telling you that a top tier titan shouldn't lose to an average lobby and if they are then titan should be buffed because that means the game is definitely not balanced is totally wrong. Makes complete sense guys. You're all genius's really.....

I don't understand how it is hard for someone to see that top tier titans should stomp pub lobbies. I really don't see how you can all be that naive and then gloat about it like you're all right. It genuinely bewilders me....

Fyi I've been telling you all this time its impossible for the average pub titan to lose. Not a top tier titan.

[ShadowZz]

HAHAHAHAHA The moment when Lynx thinks he's a better titan than foss HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Lynx:
https://id.rory.io/stats/player/Lynx-%40Azeroth/
2/6 titan hahahahaha

Fossurious:
https://id.rory.io/stats/player/Fossurious%40Azeroth/
123/63
Foss's Alt Ophion:
https://id.rory.io/stats/player/Ophion%40Azeroth/
37/3

You think you're tier 11 and Foss is tier 16??? HAHAHAHAHA

The problem with you lynx is that your incapable of seeing that people like plus and pongu currently are shit tier titans. They don't play anymore and if they did start playing they would probably play at just above average. Another thing that players can't seem to comprehend is that just because someone was good 4 years ago that doesn't mean they are the best titan. I'd argue literally any above average pubby is better than half the people on your "tier list".

Currently Tier 1 titans are Fossurious, Shibumi, hafk_RUS_, Cookies4u. They have tons of games and they are extremely consistent with high w/l ratio's as titan.

How is it that you sit here and whine titan is op yet you've only actually won 2 games? Just curious..... I mean hell, I'm a bad titan and have a higher w/l than you as titan XD

[Stealer]

Not that I agree with lynx's list but going 37/3 isn't what makes Titans tier 1. Plus would regularly give us a challenge vs eb drae demo; Foss would never come close to that. If you didn't have 4 workers for wotw there was a good chance you were dead and even if you did plus might nuke as you detonate to get you on the way down. The amount of scare plus put into people is completely towering over Foss. I legitimately don't think I've heard anybody complain about Foss, only about noobs. The same cannot be said about plus. That is what should be the tier1 distinction.

I think this thread is the first time shadow has acknowledged the game is 10v1 and actually wants them to act as a 10 instead of trying to nerf more than 2 builders working together. FeelsWeird.jpg

Whatever % Titan is at, it is too low. Just because hash is like 700/0 or w/e as builder doesn't make Titan weak. As builder you do get a good sense of how a Titan can win a game and that they were actually really bad. The number of games I see a Titan go 2,3x titanic tridents and no defensive items is insane. Or don't use minis for heal? Or pull a lynx and go full retard and attack tier7 dryad base when a no gold radio exists.

I really don't play Titan, I have like 1 game in 6+ months (neco knows which one) and that I can identify an easy strategy to use to win (although if you notice I won before getting 100g) is what I mean that as builder you know what a losing game is and the fact that you almost always get a win doesn't mean you should of. Like no Titan wws during a seige and just heal even pub 309d foss Titans didn't just burrow -> heal -> attack -> burrow.
I routinely sit in games where I know the Titan can easily win if they just bought right and didn't completely fuck up. And usually they don't do either.

Making Titan strong and making Titan easier to play are not always the same thing. However most of the time changes to make Titan "easier" are really just straight up buffs and not qol or something. I don't have a problem with making Titan easier to play but I can't really think of a change that made Titan easier to play but not a buff.
Recipe change comes close but it makes it harder for people who actually understood how recipes worked (can't buy recipe and bring to unit outside with item or buy recipe and read off items as you buy them). I still think it's best not to revert this change as noob Titans with 6 recipes for aof was so dumb.

I like structures staying. I do think towers should attack and possibly some way to make them upgrade (like giving them tridents) for if you basemate rip'd.

To reiterate because you may have forgotten by now. Majority of my builder games should have been wins if Titan didn't play completely retardedly and I don't mean they should've pulled of triple fog nuke. Just simple things like using the heal button, not buying 4 titanic tridents, and nuking the pizzly seed at mid at least once.

[Lynx]

I was talking about each players peak skill. If every player I listed returned and was ranked, I'd say that is a fair estimation of the tiers.

Your listed players might be the currently playing best titans, but they remain in the lower brackets since they can improve greatly.

Off topic:
Of course I have shit-tier win rate because first of all I don't play anymore, secondly when I do play I either test something and leave at 10 minutes or try a shitty strategy or troll.

[ShadowZz]

@Stealer
Check my first post in this topic: https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... 75#p341775

Second post in the topic. It's long but just read it and I think you'll agree. It literally says what you just said in the lower half of your topic and there are suggestions in there to try and make titan more accessible to low/average players whilst nerfing titan for high end players. Overall it will slightly reduce pub stomping or give people a chance vs high end titans and actually make there games worth playing vs low/average skilled titans.

@Lynx Literally couldn't care. CommanderBaka was a better titan than Pongu and Plus. and I'm sure even they will say that. But you don't see you writing his name on the list, because he's ancient and when you were playing he wasn't. Hense they are not the be all and end all of top tier titan.s In the current climate the ones already listed are there now and in 3 years time it will be the same as before and someone will sit here arguing they were the best titans ever. Same story. Different year. Always has been buddy

[Stealer]

I'm relatively unconvinced your suggestions don't nerf/buff Titan.

Honestly if people weren't so bad micro wouldn't be an issue as you get a teammate/mini (except prior to 3min).

[ShadowZz]

@Stealer

-Make it so you can simply buy the recipe and if you have enough gold it will give you the entire item instead of building it piece by piece.
-Change titanic wards so it has charges based off of the total amount of minions you have + your main titan so as you can leave it on 1 minion and place the wards without having to worry about passing it through different minions during a siege. Charges would simply be on a timer and refresh after the usual cd time for a single minion. Mystic Staff of the Gods should work like this too.
-Give all walls a 1 damage attack with 600 range and a good attack speed, walls should now be classed as attacking enemies and you won't have to spam right click or have 3 minions stacked behind titan literally doing nothing but standing and block because you could auto attack walls.
-(Already discussed) Nerf higher end titans via putting a cap of the max amount of minions at 3-4 minions. Nerf/Buff minions accordingly, give different bonuses for kills after max minions is reached.
-(Not possible on Wc3 I don't think, doing it in standalone) Make titans abilities and minions abilities "quickcast". i.e if you were mass nuking someone you basically hover your mouse over them and spam q with main + minions selected it will cast all the nukes on that target without having to switch through them or left click appropriately (Dota 2 uses this for meepo poofing etc).

The only suggestion that actually changes game balance is the one for minions and that only effects titans who can actively get more than 3-4 minions. The rest simply make titan more accessible to more players.

[Lynx]

The msog change is a huge buff and basically mh.

[ShadowZz]

Define "huge buff". Good titans can already use it appropriately and hell you could nerf the max charges accordingly. All it does is allow bad/average titans to do the same things with the items they buy.

[Stealer]

How is the recipe going to work? Does it hunt down whatever parts I have such as if mini2 has a regen spine does that disappear when mini3 buys sras?

Titanic wards/smog the fact that you don't need the minis bundled to use it a bunch of times is a serious buff.

Attacking walls - ok.

Minion count - definitely nerfs better players. Also is this affecting your ward/msog count?

Quickcast- while it brings bad Titans up to people who know what the tab keys is, this gunna change pub lobbies so much. Ok.

[Stealer]

Define "huge buff". Good titans can already use it appropriately and hell you could nerf the max charges accordingly. All it does is allow bad/average titans to do the same things with the items they buy.

If you nerf the max charges you are not balance neutral ........

[Lynx]

downside with msog is that you need to have your units together, with charge based you could be scouting with all minions and titan and spamming msog.