[ID] [TooNoobForu@USEast]

[ShadowZz]

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 626204.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] Island Defense #61
Your Warcraft III Username: ShadowZz
Violator's Warcraft III Username: TooNoobForu
Violated Rule(s): Maphack
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): Check further thoughts
Any further thoughts:
@Haunt
I watch too many titan games

tnfu not maphacking:
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 609307.w3g
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 580527.w3g
Follows his standard pearls and direction at the start of every game. He's done the same thing for years. Feel free to verify this with the topic in the admin section about this around a year ago. He pearls south of mound on the cliff as usual and heads bottom right and across bottom middle to the left and pearls mid bottom whilst heading to bot left, then either tp's mid or continues towards top left. He's done the same routine as titan for years.

tnfu maphacking:
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 626204.w3g
1:53 - starts with his standard pearl bottom middle. This is an important moment, in every other titan game he moves directly towards the walls he sees built at bottom right of mound and tries for a kill with the wotw he buys or carries on to bottom right, this time he changes and heads bottom left. Nukes the pizzly seed and starts walking towards the mag rc south of mound. Changes direction to head for the rad shelter.
2:16 - he has vision of the mag rc and shelt and its the only feed he has vision off and was heading there before turning to go for a shelter. Decides to walk out towards the left towards nothing instead of going for the rc+shelt.
2:26 - changes direction to rads facs, looks fishy but its not, i believe hes abusing pathing to see if its walled tbh
Note: Every other game he has been efficient with pearls, never leaving it on cd and always using it early game. His pearls been off cd quite a while now and he has 0 map vision.
3:17 - Important moment - Note the pearl spot - pearls top left of mound seeing the rad facs and purple walking to mound, he has a wotw and a double ward block including ww off cd and decides to ignore the free kill on purple. This is important, he has no vision that purple is a noob feeder yet as he has no vision of top left and in every other game he has always gone for kills. Instead he tries to catch a builder out at mound for a kill rather than a free pirate kill?
3:55 - pearls the same spot again but ever so slightly up and to the right which just catches the orange lumber base. tnfu hasn't pearled the same spot like this in his last 6 titan games.
4:48 - pearls the same spot again after killing the facs. The vision he had of this area has had oj's lb unwalled for the past 2 pearls but decides to pearl again to nuke even though he saw he can just stroll in?
5:56 - this is now the fourth time he's pearled this area after new feed has been made, hes literally ignored the rest of the map and spent the last 4 minutes re pearling this area now
6:38 - his first bad pearl and his first pearl that wasn't at middle.
7:08 - My personal favourite - walks down to rads facs and pearls above his head on the way. @Av1on I seem to remember you banning quite a few people for doing shit like this. This is the first time he's ventured down there all game.
9:22 - just randomly decides to stroll around to bottom right of mound huh.... watch his pathing, from his vision there's tons of walls between him and the rad he has no vision of, he doesn't know they detted them yet. However if you watch his pathing and how his titan pushes against the top side of the wall to go down you can see he had already clicked to walk into where rad was ignoring the wall he had vision of that was blocking him.

I'm not saying he maphacks in every game but it is more than easy to tell when he does. Tnfu's titan games follow the same habits every game and then out of nowhere he stomps early game finding amazing feed changing all his pearls and playing completely different. It's funny really....

Anyway, cba checking the rest because its not relevant data I can use when hes mhing zzzz, feel free to just ignore this or check the rest yourself.

[road-kill]

It is suspicious but then again he's a decent Titan, he may just got lucky this game. Wait for more...

[Haunt]

Locked till review.

[Merex]

I have reviewed each and every one of these movements and honestly.. I feel like this was over analyzed and was a jump to conclusion on an obvious decent titan. Am I using that to excuse maphacking? Of course not. If I thought Tnfu was guilty of 1 of these movements, I'd definitely act on them but honestly it doesn't seem so.

I appreciate you taking the time to do this but on top of partial time inconsistency, I just feel like these are your everyday titan choices. I didn't even get the slightest feeling of suspicion but rather just a titan playing the game. The only real ''suspicion'' I may have gotten was from the sudden shift movement to rad's facs on bot left but even then.. that's just scouting.

To gain further insight into my views of this -
1:53 - It was a direct pearl on the bottom mid.. Hells, even I would do that.. Why wouldn't you nuke an early pizzly either? That's quite an exp gain in the start + an easy 2g.
2:16 - You're ignoring the fact he was getting hit with rad workers prior.. Why wouldn't he follow up on potential feed for a mere RC he could kill later? Seems more like logical choice then suspicion of maphack.
2:26 - Refer to my 2nd paragraph, just scouting.
3:17 - Purple wasn't in range immediately and even if he had shifted target to him, there was a possibility purple could've lived because of his WW escape. Personally I think his odds were better compared to the mag but that's just mere titan choice.
3:55 (More like 3:35) - Again, scouting? You want to claim suspicion on pearl radius?
4:48 - What's the report here? Casual vision to nuke for exp gain..
5:56 - Pearled bot right/slightly bot mid to get vision of his surroundings.. Seems pretty logical to me considering he's regenerating in mid.
6:38 - No comment.
7:08 - He pearls before he shifts his movement unless I'm missing a millisecond of movement.. Again, it's just scouting for feed.
9:22 - What's suspicious here? All I see is a titan killing a builder.

You have to understand @ShadowZz maphack without fogclicks require real suspicion, not just shifting your strategies from time to time. By the way I see it, you could be accused of maphack because you decide to pearl the beach base area instead of w.e you pearl regularly. I don't see actual suspicion and his game history means nothing to me. People can play absolutely normal and flip on 1 game when they think they won't count that's why reports like this are important for accuracy and consistency.

Since this case was very well detailed and obviously took some work, I'm going to allow you a second review by either @Haunt or even @aRt)Y if he finds the time but after explaining all of this to you, my final input is that he doesn't maphack.

[aRt)Y]

So why does he maphack in one game but not in others?

[ShadowZz]

To be honest, the best way to not get caught is to do exactly that. Fenix used to do it and I just got lucky when I was obs in the game when he had it on. It's not like he would be the first "good" ID titan who only used maphack on and off to cover his tracks. Fits his profile with the old data when I mentioned he might be doing this before.

Up to you anyway, I just happened to watch 20-30 of his games whilst collecting data and he follows the same predictable things every time he titans and does things by habit as does every other good player is ID but unlike other good players that I watched he's the only one so far that has these out of the blue random games where he completely ignores what he does in usual games and ignores his habits but happens to always get "lucky" when he does it. Figured I'd throw it your way.

Likewise, personally I find it very fishy that he never "wastes" a pearl when he titans and never repeat pearls places he just pearled. In this game he re-pearled the same spot 4 times in a row with no apparent reason except that new feed appeared there after he left. Thinking about the game as if you were titan, why would you keep re-pearling the same place over and over after you just killed the feed there following the same rad 2 times and then out of nowhere you stop pearling it and finally go somewhere else (bottom right) and just get "lucky" throwing the pearl above your head. Just saying its extremely fishy is all.

[aRt)Y]

Before this will be further reviewed, @toonoobforu shall post his side of the story.

[TooNoobForU]

yes shadow is right normally i just pearl bot left and go to top left etccc but in some games i switch my playing style which allow me to buy a wand and get a minion faster then just buying a potion and stalling 30min-1 hour games. From the replay shadow has represented

1:53 i pearled mid bot, i saw a shelter (radio), in my head radio must have been close since the shelter is producing workers so i used probability lol yes math eew huh. since radio isnt far from his shelter he could had been in 5 spots in time to make workers
i had a 20% chance and used it.
http://i.imgur.com/3dyBR9F.png (black indicating shelter, red indicating where i could had went)

2:16 yes i saw rc and shelter but, why go there if i can get more feed from factorys? rc and shelter can sit there whole game w/o being destroyed. lol since most of my games i let people gold 90-300 gold per game.

2:26 yes i abused pathing, who wouldnt? its apart of being titan. the pearl wasnt on cd but i was too focused on finding that early feed to noticed my pearl has gone off cd (greedy) lol. Note: radio could had run to top left or bot right or stay near ( i had a 33.3% chance of finding him cause he had like 1 worker? lol )

3:17 i pearled at that base thinking someone early based (paranoid)
funny thing is i judge people on there name lol sounds horrible but its not in online gaming QQ i saw purple name was childish (so in my head = hes a noob) but why kill him when i can feed on him later on in the game, that isnt my style lol to kill noob w/o feeding on them first.

3:55 i pearled same spot again to make sure it wasnt waste of my time going up there Note: as titan every second of the games counts even a little afk or no feed has a big impact early game if you are allowing builders to gold.

4:48 feeding on workers in early game advantage too allowing titan to lvl faster then killing buildigns for feed workers> facts
Imporatn note: neco had change the rate of exp for titan
i pearled near the base because in the past games i been with FreeMaleGash he had used a method of tauren towers as an early base for non decent titan players in middle and his workers were just above it, while shadowweaver had mirror the same concept of *FreeMaleGash* but he didnt go thru with i cause i told him it wouldnt work Note: (02:23 / All) TooNoobForU: oh your stealing male
(03:07 / All) ShadowWeaver: i learnt from gash

5:56 allowing the builders go gold allows myself(titan) to find feed near my base w/o being far from gold mound.
Note: since in most games titan would camp and not allow builders to gold.
around 5:30,put down my sentry ward and then nuked, i presume red would build factories around my base or further, since red had gone to the top left walls i was aiming for his factory feed i pearled to made sure.

6:38 shadow may think this is a bad pearl but its not, not finding anything there allows to check if they had based with the gold i had given them or not.

7:08 again allowing builders to gold limits the pearls i have to use to get feed
lol noticed the workers being produced again i used probability again (since hes not golding) and placed a shteler there, he could be anywhere on map but i used math again http://i.imgur.com/JIp46cG.png (black = shelter, red = places he could had been). ignored the walls cause why feed on wall? when it could be there all game llol 1 gold and 2 exp isnt worth 1 worker and fact feed
note: i put the 5th where it would be closes but since there is an Rc and shtelter there it is unlikely he would be there.

9:22 i walk back to feed on the 10-20 walls pirate(purple) had placed but w/o knowing they had already killed the walls i turn to my next source of feed (radio) he already fed me 2-3lvls and 30 gold.

@aRt)Y

[1337hamburger]

tnfu plays like basically all other good titan players do, after you play hundreds (or thousands) of titan games you get a general feel for where the early feed will be based off of little signs. I don't think there is nearly enough proof here without actual fcs.

[Hash]

i doubt he mhes

[ImANewby]

@toonoobforu

finally some1 caught you maphacking? i hope u get banned sweetheart

[wastedlandering]

Looked like a pretty standard TNFU stall stomp to me.

Ban him though. I will be the first titan to level 20.

[Neco]

Off topic:

I will be the first titan to level 20.

There's already been 5 in the latest version alone (more than 20 overall).

[B4rt0]

In my opinion @ShadowZz is making logic his whore. It's logical to doubt, but making ban request based only on assumption is a stretcher.

[aRt)Y]

I dont need your trolling here. More of it and it warrants any of you a warning.

Waiting for Haunt's review until I give further input.