Current status of LIHL

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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby dweiler » Tue May 24, 2016 6:28 pm

RaptorXI wrote:
MickeyTheMousie wrote:Recently, several high-skilled and well-respected members of our league have left the league.


Why aren't all members high-skilled or well-respected?
Isn't LIHL the meeting place for the best players?

And before someone asks what guy posts in your section, not playing your game, just my personal point of view.


I think you are drawing a conclusion from that sentence that you can't draw.
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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby RaptorXI » Tue May 24, 2016 7:03 pm

If you say so... but i actually didn't want to fall in theory, just trying to help. You started this topic.

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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby dweiler » Tue May 24, 2016 7:09 pm

RaptorXI wrote:If you say so... but i actually didn't want to fall in theory, just trying to help. You started this topic.


Sure, I welcome any help. I do hope it's still a league with the best players, but apparently a group of people in the league does not think so, because of the leaving and complaining. I'm trying to see if we need to update things to keep the league working. If you have suggestions you are very welcome :)
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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby RaptorXI » Tue May 24, 2016 7:17 pm

I find it strange when members only post in their area although it could be interesting for all registered Ent users (technical questions or off-topic, for example). Looks like you are too much of a clique @ LIHL.
About complaining and leaving: the idea with the fun week is nice. Disable all the rules you need serious and host some modes that you usually never play, competional playing so everyone can plays like you did when you were new. After the fun week, rules and bans are on again.

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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby Don_Killuminati » Tue May 24, 2016 8:27 pm

tbh, its more a 'in game issue' which its hard to fix here (if any issue is).
Looks like a work that should be done by everyone 'in game', and it should be taken as a common ethics.

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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby RaptorXI » Thu May 26, 2016 4:27 am

Unvouch XY weakest players every season and league will never be the same.

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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby matdas » Thu May 26, 2016 8:24 pm

Been busy with real life. If you ask me, the problem is the players themselves. The only report that should every occur in lihl is a dc report. Anything such as tk, rage, no heal, suicide, feed, etc, etc should not exist in the league. These players should be removed from the league. If they cannot follow the simple rules/guidelines of the league, they have no place here.

Over my time in ENT, i have seen reports from suicide tk, no heal, rage, selling all towers, ignoring your teammates before mode is even put in. The players who do these things are the problem.

Then you have the leader
hadora wrote:-Self proclaimled one, obviously lacking of legitimity. Most of those leaders are agressive, disrepectful and killing the fun.

The one that comes to mind is ace_of_spades, talking so much bs that it forces the rest of the team to agree with him just so he shuts up. Then the one person on the team that wants to actually make a legitimate call opposing him, he is shut down by the rest of the team because they don't want to hear him bs. He is the first that comes to mind when it comes to this type of leader. There are others, but i have not been able to play and unable to name other players.

Another problem is the old school lihl players. They expect to much and claim "i've been here x amount longer than you so your opinion means squat to me" type of attitude. These people, i hate to say, would be fiji (probably not active) eldryan, sexyy (inactive), and probably more people of the old.

There are a few people who I actually admire in this league. They admit their short fallings, don't really care if other people have them as well, and want to have fun in the league: krayzie, nore, dong, tin, and probably a few others that i can't name of the top of my head.

Then you have the forum whores. Those who only come out of the woods when there is a specific topic about a specific person. People like artichoke who can only ever make a comment about shrimp and nothing else. To be honest, i have nothing against shrimp. Then there are those like sexyy who thinks that they know everything when it's clear they do not. And there are people who just comment to troll and try to get people to side with them over any issue when it is clear they are in the wrong. Then go on a rant about how bad the mods are.

Then you have people like tastay and others, who when people get banned for breaking the rules, blame moderators for doing their job. Don't break rules, you don't get banned. The less rules broken, the more players and games to be played. Something to tell the ignorant: It is not the mods fault that you get banned. You only have yourself to blame.

Then people go on about unvouches. Saying "its impossible to get someone unvouched" well its not. It just takes a lot of YOUR time to gather the games, replays, and facts/descriptions. It is not up to the moderator to do this for you. Do it yourself. If you think 4-5 games out of 100 is enough to get someone unvouched, you are clearly wrong. It would take quite a number of games, quite a number of different people reporting them. If a player wants someone unvouched for their skills, get an adequate amount of information, analyze it, comment on it, and explain to the moderators why they should be unvouched. It's not hard, just time consuming. If what you have is enough then the mods will look further and gather more.

Then you have those who say "you can't just unvouch the bottom 5 of the league." This was said way back when by someone because a player who was considered one of the best was in the bottom 5 of a season. I can't remember who it was or when it was, but it was a while ago. Yes, just unvouching the bottom 5 of the league is wrong. What should be done is unvouching the inactives and those who have 2 reports or more for rule breaks other than dc where a warning wasn't enough that they did it again and got banned. These players are the ones that need to be re-evaluated, not the bottom 5. I'd rather play with the worst of lihl then play with someone who is known for breaking rules and ruining the game.

One of the main issues that i've come across is swapping. Swapping causes the most drama. One player doesn't want to have swaps but the swaps go through anyways. Such was the issue where shrimp was unvouched. His behavior was unacceptable but so was the swap. Swapping should not be allowed in non-challenge signed game. What the teams are, is what you get. No ands, ifs, or buts about it. don't like your team? grow some balls and get over it, if you are a lady, (i am at a loss for a metaphor here for you, sorry) get over it as well.


Overall it is not just one thing that is the problem. It is a multiple of issues. Forum warriors, in-game keyboard warriors, rages, game ruiners, mod blamers, swappers, etc. What needs to change is the players attitudes. We players need to stop breaking rules, stop flaming and raging, stop forcing a leader role you aren't suited for, stop blaming the mods for doing their jobs. Just shut up about drama, if you have a problem with someone, just shut up, grind your teeth, don't ruin the game and afterwards, PM them on the forum POLITELY, without rage and explain to them what they did wrong that upset you with a moderator tagged in the PM to give them a heads up that the player is being toxic. No need to make a public thread that embarrasses yourself because you can't handle an online game. I'm pretty sure a day or two after, you will probably forget what happened, and do the same thing to someone else.
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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby FadingSuns » Fri May 27, 2016 9:11 pm

Cant imagine a worst description of myself. So now i force people to follow my calls and they just do so i can shut up. Ver very nice and very shit description of me, who basically have play with u.... 3 games?

Its very nice from ur side to just remember about me when u put such a trash example but no worries, i would never think about ur name cuz i just dont know u and i dont care about u. Imfao this guy...

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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby Diablo_ » Fri May 27, 2016 9:55 pm

I think this thread mainly shows that there's not that one problem which could be changed and instead everyone has a different opinion.

Some think low skilled players are the main problem.
Some think bad mannered players are the main problem.
Some think the league is overmoderated and has too many rules.
Some think we should be more harsh with rule enforcements etc.
Some think more players should be unvouched, some don't think so.
etc........

Ultimately I generally agree with Matdas Donki and others. The league is what the players make of it. There's only so much we Moderators can do and seeing how diverse the problems from different points of view are we can't ever make everyone happy anyway. What we will change (and already did), however, is that we handle vouch requests more strict and also evaluate trial vouches harsher.
The rest pretty much lies upon the players themselves. If everyone would just stop crying about nonsense (but also be more resistant to criticism and such) and be more friendly and also not break rules LIHL would definitely be a better place (tho imo LIHL is still awesome :P).
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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby eldryan » Sun May 29, 2016 7:55 am

@matdas I feel the love flowing through your post. Even though we've never played a single LIHL game together, nor have you with supersexyy. <3

However, I do feel like in this thread, where we're talking about old-time skilled players leaving, you have to have been here (back when the skilled players were all involved) to really contribute as to the specifics of this problem... Leaving some players (basically everyone in this thread) kind of empty in terms of their recommendations.

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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby matdas » Sun May 29, 2016 12:38 pm

eldryan wrote:@matdas I feel the love flowing through your post. Even though we've never played a single LIHL game together, nor have you with supersexyy. <3

I've observed a few games of you and watched replays of your attitude and conversations with you. I've had full blown conversations with sexyy and had full access to all of his and your posts. Though you are no where near as bad as any of them (the least out of everyone listed above and probably less then some not mentioned), but it lingers in the digital air. But as you know, my love spreads everywhere. I tried to touch on everything that everyone talked about and added some of my own. As you can see through my post, it isn't just one aspect of the league that is wrong, but many. Everyone has there good points, even you, that contributes a positive retour.

eldryan wrote:However, I do feel like in this thread, where we're talking about old-time skilled players leaving, you have to have been here (back when the skilled players were all involved) to really contribute as to the specifics of this problem... Leaving some players (basically everyone in this thread) kind of empty in terms of their recommendations.

To be honest, I am not surprised old time players are leaving. Some players are probably tired of the people, some tired of the game itself. Give some players a year and they may come back. You probably see where i am going with this statement and dont want me to write off a thousand different reasons people leave/rejoin.

The league just needs to keep pushing forward. When the old time players leave, the next generation after them become the old time players.

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Re: Current status of LIHL

Postby Jamo » Mon May 30, 2016 7:44 pm

Love your statement @matdas.

Only thing I disagree on is on what you wrote about Ace. No need to start a discussion here about this, he also wrote something already. I just think it's fair if there is one statement different from yours because imo he is one of the last persons that should be dragged into the mud in such a topic (or anywhere else). He for sure is one of the most mannered players i know and totally skilled as well!
Peace out ;)
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