ban these combos in lod asap

[Jiminy_Cricket]

linas aghanims scepter upgrade changes damage type to divine which makes it piece magic immunity. Harby's ult does not say that. They just changed his ult cause it was weak by itself. They dont play the version with rearm so they dont know it's perma disable with no counters.

Even if you rearm linas ult you can die easily cause the enemy isnt disabled permanently. It's just a damage spell. It has counters.

[BiLyA]

I was wondering, has anyone else tried rearm-stone gaze or is it just me? Because it is aoe, it turns to stone all enemies that face you, goes through immunity, oh and also insta kills all illusions (goodbye phantasm-rearm). Should it be banned too?
Or, the other time, I picked rearm-wall or replica and i absolutely wrecked havoc, i ended the game with like 30 kills vs hard carries, my illusions were dealing more damage than them on late game. Ban it up too? How about rearm roots?
And how about rearm-reverse polarity? If enemies are stupid enough to be close to each other (just like the rearm-sanity case), you can just perma disable them. Does this need ban too? LOLOLOL. How about banning all rearm combos?

I hope you get my point. I have won many times vs sanity eclipse-rearm, all you need is vision and blink to initiate first. This combo usually leaves you susceptible to ganks.

[Burnt]

1 more: rearm + omnislash: enemies can't even touch you since you're allowed to cast rearm and tp while omnislashing

however imo Jimi's point resides in the risk involved. For example, with omnislash and reverse polar, you have to risk yourself in enemy crowd; with stone gaze, there is a time lag to stun enemies. But with phantasm, you basically tp to creeps in fog, cast phantasm and manta then tp back home and control the images to 2 shot enemies; and sanity eclipse has a long cast range.

So I do agree that rearm + phantasm/sanity may give you a little higher chance to win if you fully execute their dirtiness lol . But banworthy? come on it's lod 6 skill mode

[BiLyA]

So I do agree that rearm + phantasm/sanity may give you a little higher chance to win if you fully execute their dirtiness lol

ya but what about rearm roots? You can execute this combo from your fountain LUL

[Burnt]

ya but what about rearm roots? You can execute this combo from your fountain LUL

3000 cast range in the new batch so no one picks it now lol

[Jiminy_Cricket]

You shouldnt be able to cast while omnislashing. What other skills can you cast while casting another skill?? Pretty fucking stupid when you think about it.

[BiLyA]

You shouldnt be able to cast while omnislashing. What other skills can you cast while casting another skill?? Pretty fucking stupid when you think about it.

How about that?
Storm Spirit is invulnerable during Ball Lightning.
Storm Spirit can turn, cast spells, use items and attack during Ball Lightning.

[Jiminy_Cricket]

When you cast in ball it ends your ball to start the cast. Youre not casting two things at once.

[BiLyA]

Nope it doesnt end the ball. Im proly the biggest nerd with storm u have ever met, so trust me on that loll. Next time u have ball lightning try to use shivas for example while u are travelling with it.

[HazarDous]

Anyone asked the mapmakers whether sanity's eclipse is supposed to go through black king bar yet?

Edit: Nevermind, got my answer.

[CheW]

The map makers said they are done for a while in making maps. No one donates to them so I dont really blame them for not caring that much. Plus they dont play 6 skill lod, they play 4 skill. Going out of their way to change a game they dont play is less exciting ofc.

I think hyo is right. When you scepter the ult, sanity eclipse automatically casts astral imprisonment in an aoe. It really fucking sucks though because it casts out farther than most spells so even if you have spells to use you cant get to the hero before he casts you in imprisonment. Once your ulted he just rearms and ults till you die (usually it takes 2-3 sanity eclipses).

@art)y got a rearm phantasm replay if you want to see it in action. https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=7817771

Daaaamn I'm good.

[I3omb]

Well I don't find rearm phantasm or rearm images to be beyond annoying. It at least is sometimes possible to counter it. From what I heard rearm sanity's eclipse can be very annoying if even BKB doesn't stop its effect. In a team fight if someone has a large enough mana pool it can probably disable/kill a team easily, so it seems to be pretty hard to counter.

[Jiminy_Cricket]

bomb try rearm phantasm sometime. Get a ranged agi hero like clinks. make diffusal/skadi/gem if needed/ tp boots if needed/ manta. Nothing can get close to you. You just push with the images. They die trying to kill your images and your hero is on the other side of the map. It's got such an advantage over any skill combo. It's stronger than the chakk ult when it first came out. Remember that? It's like twice as strong as that.

[Burnt]

From what I heard rearm sanity's eclipse can be very annoying if even BKB doesn't stop its effect. In a team fight if someone has a large enough mana pool it can probably disable/kill a team easily, so it seems to be pretty hard to counter.

re mana pool, since you suck int from enemy heroes if you manage to cast sanity on 2+ heroes, your mana pool will grow by a large amount, which makes this combo easier and stronger.

A good counter to this build is burst damage, I used to win against it with mc laguna - when he trapped my teammates, i dagger in and one shot him

[HazarDous]

So here's the thing. Personally, I don't really care banning sanity's eclipse as it is glitched, and goes through BKB while it should not. It can be very hard to counter considering the AoE is pretty big, but I do not think it is impossible to do. If you manage to prevent whoever has sanity's eclipse + rearm combo to farm / get exp early game, most of the team will have higher stats than him, nullifying sanity's eclipse's effects. Furthermore, it is possible to "backstab" the caster as mentionned by Burnt above.

That being said, I don't consider this glitch to be such a big deal. I talked with a few LoD players, and there are quite a few combos that are considered better than sanity's eclipse + rearm (regardless of BKB glitch) so they were unsure on whether they'd like to see this combo banned over any of the other more "OP" ones.

Keeping in mind that ENT's LoD games are very unbalanced due to the fact that the community prefers to use "BO" mode, which stands for "balance off", and 6 skills rather than 4, I believe that community likes these games which also depend on luck (what skills you get in the beginning). Because of that, and the fact that ENT's job is not to balance custom maps, I am unwilling to ban any sets of combo. However, because LoD mapmakers seem to have stopped updating the map, I may make an exeption and allow to ban a set of skills combination that are deemed "game ruining OP" by the community, rather than 1 single person. For that to happen, I will need much more input on this topic from the LoD community.

@Burnt @I3omb @Lord-Miles @efko @Rak @Jiminy_Cricket