Suggestion Thread

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Re: Suggestion Thread

Postby eldryan » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:20 pm

iiStyLes wrote:should not let people in based on pub elo, anyone get high elo on pub by stacking, dodging, crossing on ent 18 etc and is not a clear indication of skill level at all. i think judgement by replays and mod discretion is well enough.

i do like the $20 idea, however im worried more that the casual players will shy away from it and it could hurt activity a lot.

yea, that's why it's just a loosely organized fee proposal. would have to do a poll to see interest, etc. and can always change the details.

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Re: Suggestion Thread

Postby Jamo » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:15 pm

After the last tournament, glikes suggestion and elds suggestion of an entry fee, I came up with an idea as well, where I think an entry fee would apply pretty well.

How about, there would be a "Tournament League", that would be constantly going on next to lihl, and open for everyone who pays the entry fee. I don't know if you guys are familiar with the way foosball leagues are handled, but that's what I would have in mind. Teams (depending if one makes it 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, doesn't matter) can sign at the beginning. Every team plays every other team(maybe even 1st and 2nd leg) and all games are best of 3. For each win, winning team gets 1 point (or 2, 3, w/e). BUT, there is no fixed shedule when the games have to be played. There will just be a fixed order and every team has to play one game a week and just make up a proper date with the opponent team.
For example, it is fixed that in Week 8, Team C has to play against Team E, but during this week they can choose the day on their own (this should be handled by team captains). In the end, this would just be an elongated tournament, trying to eliminate the luck a bit more in a simple way by adding more games instead of complicated other modes.
Since this would be open for everyone, the player pool is much bigger, and also one can decide from tournament to tournament if one wants to participate. I would be happy to help organize this for a test run if people are interested. However, this year I would be too busy, only next year possible for me, but that's a different topic.

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Re: Suggestion Thread

Postby eldryan » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:22 pm

Jamo wrote:After the last tournament, glikes suggestion and elds suggestion of an entry fee, I came up with an idea as well, where I think an entry fee would apply pretty well.

How about, there would be a "Tournament League", that would be constantly going on next to lihl, and open for everyone who pays the entry fee. I don't know if you guys are familiar with the way foosball leagues are handled, but that's what I would have in mind. Teams (depending if one makes it 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, doesn't matter) can sign at the beginning. Every team plays every other team(maybe even 1st and 2nd leg) and all games are best of 3. For each win, winning team gets 1 point (or 2, 3, w/e). BUT, there is no fixed shedule when the games have to be played. There will just be a fixed order and every team has to play one game a week and just make up a proper date with the opponent team.
For example, it is fixed that in Week 8, Team C has to play against Team E, but during this week they can choose the day on their own (this should be handled by team captains). In the end, this would just be an elongated tournament, trying to eliminate the luck a bit more in a simple way by adding more games instead of complicated other modes.
Since this would be open for everyone, the player pool is much bigger, and also one can decide from tournament to tournament if one wants to participate. I would be happy to help organize this for a test run if people are interested. However, this year I would be too busy, only next year possible for me, but that's a different topic.

i prefer just for LIHL if it's a league, as LIHL players will crush pubbers 8/9 times. kind of worried about getting teams together. maybe each player has to play with every other player.

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Re: Suggestion Thread

Postby Jamo » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:35 pm

Well, that's just arrogant imho. There are enough players out there that are good enough and simply don't want to play lihl. And since you don't fear them anyhow, you can as well play against them. Why limiting the player pool? If they don't sign, they don't. But if they wanna try, why not? Worked pretty well this tournament as well. So many non lihl players were in, some not so good, some a bit unlucky, others in the final. They definitely increased the quality of this tourney imo.
But hey, if we are already discussing who is allowed to participate and who not, I am very happy

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Re: Suggestion Thread

Postby eldryan » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:14 am

it's more a matter of TK. If someone from LIHL farms pubs, or is put on a team with a pubber, there will be imbalancing. if the teams are premade, it is less important. but to let in anyone will dilute the games... really there should be some sort of qualifying standard.

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Re: Suggestion Thread

Postby Jamo » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:51 am

Let me bring the stuff from your thread into this thread.
eldryan wrote:it's more a matter of TK. If someone from LIHL farms pubs, or is put on a team with a pubber, there will be imbalancing. if the teams are premade, it is less important. but to let in anyone will dilute the games... really there should be some sort of qualifying standard.

the hard part is in a 20-60 player round-robin, that would both a. take forever, and b. be very difficult to arrange. if we accept entry fees from each team, and just re-arrange the teams, it's more difficult to enter as you need to join with 3 other players.


I had in mind, to keep it in the tournament fashio it was last tourney. So if you want to enter, you enter with a TEAM, not alone (despite 1v1 ofc, if ppl want that). And as a team, you play against every other team in a robin-bla style. How long this "Tournament League" is running, will just depend on how many teams signed up, since there will just be 1 game per week. (If it turns out there are again 16 teams, one could certainly think about 2 games per week or so). But my main focus would be, to play with the same Team every game. And to stretch it over a longer period, so that one can make best of 3 battles.

But why do you think every idiot would join a tournament, he even has to pay an entry fee for? I don't get that. It worked nicely with the tournament now, I just don't get your point.

But, at least you and sexy seem to kinda like the idea in general? What about others? Would you join?

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Re: Suggestion Thread

Postby Jamo » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:35 am

Hey guys,

The season is still going. But I just wanted to say, I really enjoyed the one week with different mode between two seasons. Maybe one should always do it and have a poll 2 weeks before the next season starts or so, which mode it will be this time? Anybody else liked it? Or you think too many people will end up not playing during this week?

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Re: Suggestion Thread

Postby Nore » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:29 pm

Since there seems to be no progress or determination here, I will process this.. if someone feels the need to bring this back up, feel free, and hopefully there can be more feedback. Just doesn't seem to be the case at this time.
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