Random teams or VB?

[Artichoke]

Current system is fine, but a VB should be exactly what the name implies -- a VOTE.

If enough people vote for it, it should happen. It's really strange that 7/8 players can vote for VB yet one player can disagree and then the game has to be rehosted or someone has to rejoin to cancel the VB.

[Crazy_Skeleton]

!Support to 8 players must !vb on 4s etc

[magicpotatoes]

7/8 players enough imo, dont see why we wouldn't balance cause just 1 player don't agree.

[Lord-Miles]

8/8 vb otherwice we play random teams .

[MarshMallows]

I dno why we dont do the system that has most even teams possible like we used to.

[Jamo]

I dno why we dont do the system that has most even teams possible like we used to.

cause people love to complain no matter what system is used or mods are doing.

and i have the feeling that some still dont get that the shown elo is not what they really get.

it aligns to a maximum of 20/10.
on an normal 26/4 elo game it would be still something like 19/11 which is more than fair for an avg 1300 vs avg 800 game
and a 19/11 game would be something like 16.5/13.5 so i dont get the the cry for votebalance at all

for those who missed it:
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=88508&p=352441

[MarshMallows]

Why would you expect any new vouch to know that? it's unusual and never spoken about...

[Jamo]

Maybe this should also be a sticky topic. There was a nice overview made by Diablo, but ofc when it's not sticky no new vouches will know. However, all other players should know that, it's been said so many times, over and over again...

[Krayyzie]

Overall people do prefer random teams, its pretty clear that most people vote for random teams on all polls and if you read most of the threads about this.

However, the problem is that the 15/15 system is broken, because activity matters more than how good you play(% of wins).

And current system fails hard, because the worse(lower elo,doesnt have to be worse) player you are, the better benefits you get (as someone wrote in the announcement thread, there are more low elo players than high), which also means there will be more players who "prefer" current system because it benefits them. The fact is that pretty much all players end up alot closer in elo on the current mode, which is pretty boring, because that means at the end of season, the only thing that matters if you compare 2 players is if they had a lucky streak at end, or if it was early in the season.

The best way to mix the 2 things together is actually change the ranks to % of wins. that means high or low elo dont matter, but the % of wins over a whole season decides winner, no benefits for loosing alot of games early and so on..

[Jamo]

well, that was the case with 15/15. Prob is, one still needs to be able to apply DC pens.

[Krocis]

winrate is good idea but since someone can play 1 game 1/0 (100% winrate) then it doesnt make sense but good point unless this example, elo system works good until, if someone is high elo he shud sometimes cope with 20/10 24/6 games etc , coz yea balanced games have same profit/risk for both sides but balanced games makes unbalanced league imo. great example is tin and varg (top and bot of league) you can have imba skill and luck also and makes you rly high elo(tin case), or u can have decent skill and very bad luck(varg case). 1400 elo to 500 elo ,that is 900elo difference. this is how vb makes league unbalanced in elorate. well, i also always do !vb and rly dont care about elo since i came for fun not for hunting elo at all but mby my point is good, think about it.

[Jamo]

well, those are the same discussions over and over again. Imo we just should decide for a system and finally keep it for at least one or two seasons... I guess they will change it back to 15/15 and that's it.

[Diablo_]

We will most likely decide the used system for the next season(s) internally as the community seems to be very "jumpy" on this matter :p

[FadingSuns]

We will most likely decide the used system for the next season(s) internally as the community seems to be very "jumpy" on this matter :p

I totally agree with you, just make a decission and people will have to adapt it no matter what it is. But please, be consecuent with your decission. If by any chance you select random teams, lets not allow to VB. If you select balanced teams, lets not change it because 2 top players cry because then cant be on same team ever, and etc.

Whatever the decission is, we ALL need to follow for once. Its clear that 100% of community will not like the decission taken, so lets all stop fight about how should it be and just accept it, and it can always be reviewed at the end of season but should never be changed on mid season (unless is a complete FAIL).

[Nore]

This seems to be sorted already, sooo...

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