Your Warcraft III Username: Cr4zYf[O.o]L Violator's Warcraft III Username: Opsyie Violated Rule(s): MapHack Any further thoughts: Red = Most Obvious / Purple = Somewhat sus / Blue = notes
[00:02:30] He goes to gold while the titan is still mia, and 2-3 seconds later titan comes into vision.
[00:04:10] I have pearled and decide to try for a kill. He decides to run south, but turns around when I near him. I notice it seem's off that he would know i'm there, so I run back and fourth and he seems to distinctly pick out which way I run, and makes his moves accordingly. Runs out of cover twice and decides to stay inside walls. With him having no vision east, I run towards his walls. He proceeds to build extra two walls closer to mid making sure he is completely safe..
[00:03:22] He pings the gnoll 3 times, tells him to teleport, and is also half way to getting gold.
This could go either ways. First way is: This is the most obvious mh as he must know that titan is ww although there is no way he should know if he is or not. Other way is: He is so damn good at predicting what the titan is about to do. And if the other way was true, the dodgy part is that he is confident enough to gold even if he had known titan was going for kill.
AND: at [00:03:30] he says "rip", which maybe means he knows gnoll is about to die, which means he knows titan is ww.
(I really don't think Opsyie is that much of a skilled player to be able to judge such things. Tt shows in #36 where the titan bounce nukes his hunter onto the other builders. Any one with the 'skill' above would surely be smart enough to not get bounce nuked, especially when he saw the titan and minions ww.)
Time of Violation (replay): Oh boy, this one's a good one. If only it was longer :/ . 14 seconds from titan spawn with dodgy plays already...
[00:01:51] His turtle goes to follow the titan,which he had no vision of. The titan stops and the turtle almost goes to run into him, but turns around and runs. The titan then continues and the turtle goes back to stalking. He begins golding 7 seconds later. (STILL! with no vision) The titan stays in the left base while using his bird. Opsyie (STILL!!!!! without vision of where titan is) has his turtle selected and ready to move when titan comes back down (from an area he never knew titan was in the first place)...
Titan ww's in fog.
[00:02:50] He retreats and starts harvesting the south tree. He waits for the titan to move away from the north side to begin his research. Titan is nearly on the south side and Opsyie goes to harvest the north tree. Titan runs back around to north and satyr goes back to the south tree again.
[00:03:30] Satyr runs around through the bot left base, goes to run towards his den and must have noticed main was running back to base and decides to turn around.
This one is not very suspicious but still some things to point out. This replay is clean for a while. I was getting kinda bored watching it, looking for suspicious plays Then suddenly, it begins... [00:06:20] (Not that sus) He goes to build a wall, but stops. Maybe he knows the minion is waiting there.
[00:06:27] YES! THERE IT IS! He runs to mid and goes to gold. The minion ww's in fog, and what's that? He changes his mind pretty quickly and runs for cover! AND TO TOP IT OFF: He pings multiple times as if he's trying to warn them to b/run!
[00:11:01] Opsyie Daisyie He's golding on his own, safe and sound and then the two minis top right of mound fog ww and, he runs for cover!!
[00:14:00] Maybe here he was watching if minions were about to run in and kill attack, not noticing tp(Kind of sus here as he's golding with no vision of minions.)
[00:15:13] He's running right, running right, *notices minion ahead* aaaaand he turns and runs south. Oh yea, did I mention no vision or possibility he saw minion around there?
[00:16:30] So at this point, he's filled every seed except the one the minion is near. Lol! (He had no way to tell if he should produce workers in that seed or not. This could just be that he forgot about the seed)
[00:04:44] Seems not too bad, but he goes to gold just before titan is in vision, and seconds before that he's told morph to detonate pools. (Could just be natural as titan was headed south, then again he shouldn't know if he might be ww or not.)
[00:06:15] He is bang on time with dusting troll after first hit.(Likely he was ready to dust who he thought first to be hit)
[00:09:30] He is ready, set, waiting for titan to nuke Draenei workers "to know where titan is". As soon as titan nukes, he's golding.
[00:25:25] Up until now, he has been alot more reckless and careless than careful.And all of a sudden this happens. Titan ww's, and as soon as he does, he's running away and pings loudly to the other golders.
[00:28:14] Pings Tauren loudly, literally milliseconds before titan comes to vision.
[00:28:55] So if indeed he was legitimately pinging Tauren not long ago, would he not do the same roughly now? And since tauren now has no escape, he should be especially worried and pinging 300 times instead of 10!
[00:29:22] As soon as titan nukes Tauren's workers, he's pinging.How did he know he was there so insanely fast? If he was really paying attention to that area, would he not have pinged the item jump earlier and told Tauren to detonate?
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2:30 It is a bit suspicious that he would be golding when titan is mia, but there are many radio players that will do that early game because they are confident in their invulnerable shield ability. Not much evidence imo.
4:10 radio goes bottom right of mound past his walls, titan is out of his vision, but the radio decides to go back into his walls as titan is getting closer. Then still without vision of titan, the radio goes in the direction towards the mound, then the titan goes towards the mound as the radio does, but then the radio backs into his walls as if he knew the titan would be going toward the mound. Then at 4:17 titan makes a stride for the radio from the bottom side, titan is out of vision of the radio, when the radio decides to go up towards the mound. In my opinion, this looks like map-hack to me.
[ent] island defense #18
3:22 So the radio does not have any vision of the titan when he wind-walks. But somehow knows that the titan is chasing the gnoll in ww. He pings at the gnoll when the titan is close to gnoll, and before the titan comes out of ww to kill the gnoll, the radio even says "rip" as if he knew it was going to happen. To me this looks like pretty clear map-hack, or just the best intuition in the history of island defense.
[ent] island defense #16
Spoiler!
1:48 Is when titan is last seen, all we know is that titan went left, but going left, titan could have went up or down, but the turtle stays in close proximity to the titan with no vision, he places his turtle right outside the empty lumber base which the titan just entered.
So from about 1:48 to 2:10 titan is MIA, there is no vision of him or his whereabouts either, but the satyr is golding as if he knew the titan wasn't around in wind-walk.
Then at about 2:30 the titan wind-walks completely out of vision of any builders, and heads towards the mound where the satyr is. Now if the satyr were to keep consistent with his golding behavior when titan is MIA he would not have backed out, but it looked as if he knew the titan was coming towards him in wind-walk. So backs towards his den. At 2:48 when the titan is in ww at the north side of his dens, the satyr is standing at the south side of his dens. Then the titan goes to the south side of the dens, closest to where the sat was, but at 2:57 he moves towards the north side of his dens as if he knew the titan was going from the north to south side of his dens in ww. The titan now sees the satyr is at the north side of the dens again, so goes back to the north side where the satyr would be closest, still in wind-walk. At 3:07 the satyr moves back towards the south side of the dens as if he knew the titan was still in ww going towards the north side of his dens. If you ask me, this whole play of satyr moving up and down his dens when the titan is in wind-walk close to him is pretty obvious map-hack.
3:27 the satyr is heading back towards the gold mound, titan is completely out of vision of any builders. 3:30 the titan is still out of vision but the satyr walks back away from the direction he was heading as if he knew the titan was walking in the same direction as him. Very suspicious plays by the satyr here.
[ent] island defense #17
Spoiler!
6:27 it is clear that the tauren's direction is heading straight towards the mound. Then next second later... 6:28 he clear changes his position from going towards the mound, back north-east towards the mag's walls. As if he knew that the minion was in wind-walk towards the mound, when there was no vision of the minion the whole time. 6:31 a split second right before the minion snaps out of ww to attack the gnoll, he even pings at the mound like he knew it was going to happen, trying to warn the other players. Seems very map-hacky to me.
11:00 hes is golding even though there are 2 minions that are MIA 11:03 the 2 minions were never in vision the whole time, and when they are in wind-walk going towards him, he backs away at the perfect time right when they are about to reach him in wind-walk. Either he is the luckiest cow alive, or he has map-hack and saw them coming towards him in wind-walk, I am willing to bet that it's the map-hack.
15:10 it is clear that the tauren is heading east then all of a sudden.... 15:13 he changes his direction immediately to go south as if he knew that if he kept going east that there would be a minion in close proximity, without having any vision of it at all. His immediate change of direction is very suspicious.
16:30 The tauren literally has 8 seeds on the map, fill all 7 of them completely with like 3-4 workers each, EXCEPT for the one that the minion is in close proximity to. Seems very suspicious here.
[ent] island defense #69
Spoiler!
2:36 titan is MIA and in ww but heading north, satyr goes to gold. After watching the past 4 other replays, it seems this guy is always golding when titan is MIA but not around him. Nothing too obvious here though, could just be luck...or map-hack.
4:44 Titan was seen headed going south, not really suspicious here.
6:15 So there are 2 candidates to dust, either the ogre or troll, but he dusts the troll right after first hit. Now if you ask me, I really do not think this guy has the skills and reflexes to do it so quickly unless he knew the titan was right behind the troll in wind-walk and not the ogre. It's not really that obvious of a map-hack, but considering his skill level, it would make sense that he saw the titan going for the troll with his map-hack rather than him having cat like reflexes.
9:30 Titan is MIA, but sat is standing outside the walls ready to gold right when the titan pearls and nukes the draenei's workers. Pretty suspicious, but nothing obvious.
25:25 Titan goes out of vision but is in close proximity, is it probably safe to say titan is in wind-walk. So the satyr backing out and pinging is kind of suspicious but it doesn't show any clear evidence of map-hack.
28:14 he pings at the mound where the tauren is, just a split second before the titan comes into vision as if he knew the titan was walking that way. Pretty suspicious yet again, but nothing too concrete.
29:22 he pings the tauren immediately, as if he already was waiting for the titan to make first contact then ping. Not too obvious, but very suspicious again.
Now my overall conclusion after spending multiple hours watching these past 5 replays. This guy always seems to golding when titan is MIA. If titan is in wind-walk in close proximity to him, he immediately backs off from the gold mine. He never dies from wind-walk or running into minions, considering he is always "yolo" golding. He always pings when the titan is in wind-walk close to him or the builders as if he knows the titan is in wind-walk close to them. Now I have played easily over 4,000 games of Island Defense in the past 1.5 years, and had the highest elo in ID before it was removed. I am not trying to brag, but to prove that I am very familiar with the game, and it's players. After watching these past 5 replays, it is very evident that this guy is not a highly skilled player, I am basing this off of the way he walls certain areas, the way he makes his lumber bases, and the fact that he nearly died to titan teleporting back to the mound, several times, which shows his reflexes are not that quick. Now with all that being said, it is very clear to me, that this player map-hacks, and should be banned for it.
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Reason:Added spoilers to the long timestamps.
I watched only a few minutes of each replay because I do not have the time or dedication hash has to see if he is maphacking but based off of what hash is saying and the skill level of this satyr. I feel that the possibility of luck compared to what is happening. That kind of luck can be from one thing and one thing only. Maphack. Hash is correct on the cat-like reflexes because I have played close to probably 300 satyr games and I don't think with as little experience as I have seen in his past games that he could pull this off unless he saw the titan. This is just my 2 cents and probably have little to no persuasion in this case but I just wanted my thoughts to go out there along with hashes for the mods to decide.
It's amazing where the paranoid mind can take you.
2:30-2:35 - Rad goes to gold while titan is still in fog then pops up in bot-mid vision. 4:10 - Marking as Primary suspicion. Rad goes south when titan approaches from top right in fog, then heads back in walls when he's closer. Titan makes some manaeuvers still in fog that Opsyie responds to, finally when he approaches the back walls, he moves towards front, places 2 walls and escapes.
ID #16
2:09-2:10 - Sat's turtle follows titan and freezes while the titan is uphill in the mid-left lumber base. 2:46-3:10 - Titan is WW and Sat is harvesting on the south tree away from mound while titan is sitting there, he then goes up still ww and sat shifts closer to mound on the north tree, finally titan goes back to initial location and sat harvests on the south tree once again while titan is still ww. 3:30 - Sat makes a break for the bot left base of mound, makes a run to his den while titan who's in the fog goes down, he shifts back up and sat makes a run back in the base with no vision.
