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[supersexyy]

The fact that multiple 'evidences' included slark being aware of bara charging is pretty poor on the mod's behalf.

Slark's ulti =/= maphack.

[CountChocula96]

So, I just pulled a replay of his up completely at random, and I already have like 500 mh signs going off in my head less than 4 minutes in.


http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 492878.w3g

Please just watch the first 5 minutes of this game that I randomly pulled up. Watch it with Slark vision only, and then watch it again with full fog off and tell me that's not suspicious. Tell me that's completely normal movement, gameplay, and chat warnings. OMG Yeah right!!! I was about to write down all the suspicious movements in those 4 - 5 minutes, but there's literally so much that I don't even know where to begin.

[Hey2]

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[EdgeOfChaos]

@CountChocula96 if you feel events from that other game are suspicious, feel free to write them in timestamps here for review.

Event: 8:50
Slark is fighting Mortred and retreats when Bara charges from the fountain. It does seem like he retreats as far as he does in response to Bara charging.
In his defense:
- Zeus does call b first
- Enemies were near tower, Mort got shielded, so no reason to keep fighting
- Pudge calls mia bara, and Slark seems to call b in response (though he was retreating before the call)
Inconclusive

Event at 10:10
Slark is creeping. The moment Bara charges, Slark seems to hesitate, taking one more creep, then retreating to his first tower.
In his defense:
- It does almost seem that he goes b in response to Axe teleporting away and leaving him on the lane. It's feasible that he suspected a bara charge and decided to play safe.
Overall suspicious

Event at 16:08
Slark knew he was charged because his ultimate Shadow Dance did not activate when he was out of vision of creeps. This is a common trick with Slark to know when they charge you. Note that this does not apply in the first two events since he was level 4/5. Of course he does retreat out of creep range after charging, but was doing that constantly through the game.
Not suspicious

Event at 19:23
Same as above
Not suspicious

Event at 23:00
Slark TP's top, farms the lane, then finds Bara in the jungle.
In his defense:
- He was creeping top instead of instantly going to gank Bara, even though he was in the jungle. Suggests that he actually just wanted to farm his jungle.
- Bara was in Scourge's jungle, so he's easily seen if someone goes to farm or passes by
- If you watch the angle of Slark's hero, it's clear that he was headed down the ramp until he sees Bara and attacks him.
I think not suspicious.

Event at 25:30
Slark follows on top of Mort as she goes invis and runs, hitting with Dark Pact.
In his defense:
- Maybe it was a predictable path from what he saw before she went invis
- It was only for a second or two
Following right on top of her is pretty suspicious, but still, it's possible this is luck.

Event at 32:20
He did have vision beforehand.
Not suspicious

Final opinion
There was definitely suspicious play at 25:30 and 10:10. Those are quite suspicious. Some of the events are just him detecting charge by Shadow Dance. One of the events he did have vision for. 23:00 and 8:50 are borderline. I would say he may be MHing or he may not be - don't know if there's enough evidence to prove MH. Maybe another moderator can give opinion @Beerlord @SeriouslyStrange

[Hey2]

OK I forgot to review the other accusation so here we go...

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 479238.w3g
Checks necro's !sd before he even knew he is going mid against him. Rhasta or sniper are equally good choises for mid.

If you look at the players' stats in that game, Puczi (the necro) had 300 more elo than each of his team's players. I used !sd Puczi after using !scores because I saw he was the only one with higher elo... the other ones didn't seem to matter to me they were all close to or under 1000 elo (I think the 4 of them were under 1000). I still can't believe you're using this to accuse of MH. Incredible.

0900 he is retreating from a gang top. Necro is about ready to cut him, but slark all of a sudden changes direction and tries to avoid him in the exact millisecond he gains vision + aura effect.

At that second I realized necro was recently missing and it would be unwise to back straight to mid. The gank had lasted too long. Necro has been missing from mid since my gank top, it's extremely likely that he's coming right at me. Granted, I can see how the time coincidence can seem suspicious to an exterior eye in this one, but I actually do this move very often on slark (taking refuge next to the little mountain to get out of vision and heal, it's an amazing spot to do that because it's very difficult to gain vision of people there). What's more, if you look at it closely it's not a sudden change or direction at all: I was hesitating already before between taking refuge or go back straight and thinking about necro missing shoved me me into taking the safer option.

1200 SK and slark have almost killed naix. Yet, for some weird reason, slark stops and retreats. Meanwhile, necro is about to gang themin fog.

This is EXACTLY what I explained in the accusation of the previous replay. As a rule I NEVER go to the second tower and beyond early game. I was OUT OF MANA, NO ULTI, 929 TOTAL LIFE (no life-enhancing items yet, that game, I was actually behind in farming and i can prove it, I said that TWO MINUTES LATER:

(14:07 / Allied) Autumns: dont feed them..
(14:13 / Allied) Autumns: play safe, farm
(14:18 / Allied) Autumns: i need farm before i canrape),

and naix had treads and was running fast. Absolutely NO CHANCE of Killing him. Imagine if I had chased him, it's certain he would have escaped and very likely I would've died (even without necro). Very bad kill/death probability ratio. You just don't go that far that early in the game if you want to maintain a good KD. Greed is what ruins your KD and you have to learn to let go, 200 hp at the second tower at 12mn (actually, 9mn30 in game) with no mana is like a full health hero at the fountain. Unkillable. Just think about the logic. It doesn't matter if he was 10 or 100 or 2000 hp at that point. Not to mention Naix is a very good escape hero, usually, except if he's far from his base, the only way you can kill him with slark is through fight, almost never through escape.

2030 stops farming mid with multiple creeps alive, and goes back while 4 enemies are closing in from fog.

All I needed was my last orb (2100 gold) to finish skadi so I backed once I had 2100, that's it I had it and courier was coming, by the way I said right after:

(20:37 / Allied) Autumns: good skadi done
(20:39 / Allied) Autumns: we can gnak now

Overall, if that's the evidence you're basing yourself on for a year ban, then I don't see what else I can do frankly, wow. That's as detailed as I can be about my thought process. Even if I were unbanned there I guess then I would probably be banned again since it's just the way I play, and with my stats people just want me banned in the spotlight (feels good when somebody like me is banned, right?). I guess it's very flattering that you're so convinced I MH but wow, I never thought this could happen. Shady, superficial evidence based on ignorance of deep gameplay leading to hasty conclusions. Yes, I play different. I have a thousand of parameters I'm analyzing in my head while playing, that's what I love about dota, being 100% focused. I never play when I'm mentally tired. And yes, I don't play predictably. That's what you do if you want to confuse the enemy. Many players base their decisions on instinct and hope. I base mine on logic and analysis, reevaluating the situation and each possible outcome depending on changing parameters each millisecond, and doing the opposite of what I think the enemy is expecting.

I'm grateful another mod took a look at it and you can really see the difference when somebody reviews it in an unbiased way. As shows, once more, the first evidence FalenGa gave for the second replay (the !sd on necro thing, by the way that's one of the main arguments of the OP for that replay....), again I think it's obvious that he has strong bias against me.

[Hey2]

I would also like to point out that even though it is probably meaningless, it is incredibly odd that there were 6 minutes between the time the request was published on me and when FalenGa answered the post, saying I would probably be banned. And I was banned, hastily, exactly one hour after the request was originally posted. I notice there are 3 pages of unprocessed ban requests currently. Why would he go straight to mine and process it so fast, while so many others have been waiting? I think that's extremely strange. Talk about wanting me to be banned beforehand...

[FalenGa]

@Hey2
Do i know you? Do you know me? The answer is no.
So, why would i be biased against you?

The request against you had the word "map hack in it", and i like map hack reviews. At that point, i reviewed 2 map hack reports straight, because that's what i wanted.
And anyway, this is completely irrelevant.

About the !sd part. You checked scores at 1.15, then checked necro's sd 40 seconds later ( when he came mid against you ).
Yes. This is suspicious.

About killing naix, you forget that you had SK right there with you. Sk had just revived from his ulti, which means he had more than enough mana to stun. You both were full hp, and he was in red. Leoric stunned 2 seconds after you backed out. So, yea, it would have been an easy kill.

[Hey2]

@Hey2
Do i know you? Do you know me? The answer is no.
So, why would i be biased against you?

The request against you had the word "map hack in it", and i like map hack reviews. At that point, i reviewed 2 map hack reports straight, because that's what i wanted.
And anyway, this is completely irrelevant.

About the !sd part. You checked scores at 1.15, then checked necro's sd 40 seconds later ( when he came mid against you ).
Yes. This is suspicious.

About killing naix, you forget that you had SK right there with you. Sk had just revived from his ulti, which means he had more than enough mana to stun. You both were full hp, and he was in red. Leoric stunned 2 seconds after you backed out. So, yea, it would have been an easy kill.

-For the !sd: I was busy talking with my team to set up the game (check chat log) and sded necro 40 seconds later. It's not too difficult to keep one thing in memory for 40 seconds. The other guys didn't magically gain 300 elo in 40 seconds.

-About killing naix: it doesn't matter the slightest if leo was there or not. He was a very inexperienced player (877 elo) and his stun cooldown was too long (also, Leo is a pretty slow hero). Naix was unkillable and the danger remained the same, we would both have died. As I said it didn't matter at all that we were full health and naix was red. Not to even mention, AGAIN, I don't go that far that early in the game period. Doesn't matter if even the whole team is there, I stick to my rules. There was absolutely no possible upcoming benefit in chasing naix at the second tower, it's a textbook recipe for failure, even more so when the guy is low health your natural instinct pushes you to take more risk even though you have absolutely no chance of killing him.
Of course if this had happened 20mn later in the game I would probably have tried to chase him, if I had not been out of mana and properly farmed (exactly like in the first replay of the OP by the way).

I don't get why this is so difficult to understand for you, it's pure logic. If you think that would have been an easy kill, you just have no clue what you're talking about. For me an easy kill is something I can most likely get away with. Perhaps, and that's a big perhaps, I could've killed him in enemy base but I 100% would've died. Doesn't matter at all if necro is there or not there's a huge probability of death going in enemy base at 9mn30 with 900 life. This is what the noobs always do. If I die, I get 1-1, which CRUSHES my KD. I'd rather escape a very unlikely kill and a very likely death in this type of situation, because so much can go wrong, and it always does.

[Haunt]

OK that's enough offtopic for one appeal. So far we have one mod who thinks OP hacks, one who isn't sure. @beerlord waiting for that review of yours Please re-open the topic when you post your findings.

Locked till that. Enough flame and offtopic as it is.

[BeerLord]

7923:
The fog click is not legit, as clicks on the side shops are sometimes a bit buggy, and there was only a half second (or less) difference between gaining vision of the shop and the click.
Slark backing when bara charges him has already been addressed in this thread and I agree that these do not constitute evidence for maphack.
I believe the players explanations of moving to bara and trailing mortred are accetable. Mortred took a predictable path as she ww away.
At the point in the game when slark moved upon ezalor and abbadon at the tower, I think he was strong enough at that point to have been able to escape even had there been two other heroes lurking in fog, so I dont believe his attack can presume he had knowledge that no other heroes were present.
9238:
His sd of necro could have been confirming what he saw in chat, or it could have been because necro was an opponent that he missed seeing the sd/stats in the lobby. There are many other possible explanations for him sd'ing him when he did. At the time there were 3 sentinel heroes lurking in the area. I dont believe this constitutes evidence for maphack.
0900 he turns away from necro just prior to gaining vision while retreating from sniper and naix. This is suspicious but not conclusive. Slark had already id'd necro as a quality opponent in chat and could have been using judgement and map awareness here since necro was no longer visible on minimap.
1201 he backed from chasing naix prior to sk stunning naix again. At the time slark had 5 mana, so it was not unreasonble to back or not chase, again with the loss of vision of necro on the minimap.
2030 he backs from creeps in mid lane. He had just lost vision of 4 sentinel heroes in top lane, including necro who was last seen moving toward his position when said vision was lost. I think his retreat was prudent.

Although I am generally mistrustful of players with that type of win/loss record, and that type of kda, I believe there is insufficient evidence here to warrant a ban for maphack, and it should be rescinded.
@Haunt

[FalenGa]

Alright. Things are simple, 2 > 1.

@Hey2
Ban removed.
I apologise for the inconvenience.