Paste no clog rule pls

[RadiantCrystal]

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=98637&hilit=clog&start=15

Here is the recent suggestion to this

You might read the "sell-value" part, but it's really about preventing the "clog" strategy"

And you even asked in game "You know how to clog pink?"

This is a clear indication that you wanted to exploit an already known glitch. And you urged pink to sell the prisoner on level 3 (and to get panda to leak 4) to stall more time for "clog"

Just because you didn't sell 400 value to go back to 300 value doesn't mean you are allowed to have 300 value to "begin" from.

It's the same idea why king juggling is banned for gaining time (there are other reasons but this is one of the big ones)

[n1ll3]

@radiantcrystal with all my respect fo you and your decisions i think you dont get the point here or you dont read all posts.

The question is not if they clog or not. The question is if its bannable and where the line between clog and a normal meta/tactic is. So your argumentation miss the problem we have here!

I also talked to Mick and asked him if this is allowed in the tourney cause im totaly unsure about this rule. And he said "yes it is allowed as long as you dont sell value".

So fact is this we need to clarify this rule! And btw a poll (i have never seen) is not a rule. I play with the rules i find in the wiki and thats it!
And a rule that not exist can not be judged!

So for the ban appeal you have 2 options: allow this meta or define a clear rule

Maybe some other mods can also check

[RadiantCrystal]

@n1ll3 did you read the 2nd page of the suggestion? Hazardous made the rule to a narrower scope but with the intention to clog is clearly a glitch exploit process.

@Hazardous

[matdas]

If you search up the meaning of 'glitch' you will get something like this:

Noun 1. glitch - a fault or defect in a computer program, system, or machine

Using clogging strategy is not a fault or defect in the game, it is just a really overpowered strategy. This rule about exploits and glitches should be about real defects in the game, for example that bosses won't move at all anymore after being entangled by ent, or anything else that is clearly just a fault in programming the game, not OP strategies (in my opinion).

So preventing movement of bosses is defined as a glitch, but prevent the standard level units are not (through the "clogging" of units)?

[opa_nuklear]

We never prevent the movement of standard units...
Please add an anticlogging rule to the 1200+ rules that clearly forbid clogging and please define "clogging". right now its really unclear as you can see on the posts here and in strik3r-'s appeal.

thx for your statements and sorry for the circumstances but i hope you can understand us somehow

[Hatedmaru]

As stated on strik3r- appeal by matdas, and ill quote, since he pretty much explained why this is still bannable:

Clogging is abuse of game mechanics to the point where the map can not process the fluid movement of every unit. Thus, leaking to the point when clog happens is an abuse of bug.

Because it is an exploit, thus banned through glitching/exploit.

Also rules don't need to cover everything (as in, you dont need to have a rule specifically stating it, for it to be bannable) - Quoting arty from the recent LTD rule update

Rules always cover rather general things as they are usually based on common sense.

Meaning that you're not supposed to use any exploit/bug or any advantage just cuz its not written in the rules (Example - The situation about stream sniping, that ended up being added, due to people abusing it).

So, you can post a suggestion regarding clogging to be added in the rules (Personally i believe matdas explanation is enough to cover it, and explain it, but you can always suggest, presenting good arguments and with the community input, the administration/management might rephrase or add it if required).

Regarding your appeal, i'd suggest reading both general + LTD rules, and ensuring/promising that the moderators can trust that this won't happen again (meaning that next time before you do something like this, you will use common sense, and think ^^ You should always think "Is this possible to be considered a bug/exploit of the map? If yes, then i shoulnd't use it, since its bannable per the general rules"), and im sure the moderators will have no problem re-adjusting your ban, or even unbanning you, depending on your history

Thanks in advance, and good luck

PS: Thanks for listening/cooperating xd

[Hatedmaru]

You're not supposed to be able to send a demon on 15, also bannable? Glitch exploit!

You're not supposed to cross and get full bounty from a leaking player, glitch exploit!

Sending mass amounts of units causes the units and game to stutter, glitch exploit! Mass sending should be bannable!

Thanks for always posting random utterless (aka useless) posts - How are you today? Good day to you Sir ...

PS: If you're not gonna post anything useful, or helpful to the case, then dont come butting in, to instigate more drama.

PSS: To your response - Common sense is the keyword here.

[supersexyy]

Point is, you shouldn't arbitrarily identify some 'glitches' as bannable, then throw a 7 day ban on. Especially as clogging was never bannable in the past (same as massing units causing game stutter).

[matdas]

You're not supposed to be able to send a demon on 15, also bannable? Glitch exploit!

You're not supposed to cross and get full bounty from a leaking player, glitch exploit!

Sending mass amounts of units causes the units and game to stutter, glitch exploit! Mass sending should be bannable!

Thanks for always posting random utterless (aka useless) posts - How are you today? Good day to you Sir ...

PS: If you're not gonna post anything useful, or helpful to the case, then dont come butting in, to instigate more drama.

PSS: To your response - Common sense is the keyword here.

It's ok @hyo . He (sexxy) doesn't understand how general rules apply. He is in his own little world. He just adds what he feels is necessary to cause a backlash on people. Usually happens when i comment on something. There are arguments about the other material that he posted that he just flat out refuses to accept. It would be going off topic in this topic to point them all out. And he is to dense to understand them anyways.

Edit: PS clogging was banned in the past and was merged into general rules for exploit

[Larz]

Locked untill @hazardous reply's on the glitch

[HazarDous]

Clogging still exists. It just doesn't happen in the king's pathway anymore. However, it does happen prior to joining that pathway and when they move around king.

As thus, you indeed abused games' mechanics and a ban is warranted.

I'll leave it there. You may still want to have your ban removed / reduced. In order to do so, please reflect on your actions.


However, I understand there can be room to misunderstandings. Any rule re-phrasing will be addressed in the suggestion forum with the input of community.

[opa_nuklear]

Okay thanks for your response @HazarDous

@RadiantCrystal By reading the posts i understood what is meant by "glitch" in this case and ask for removing my ban. I am clear on my mistake.

[RadiantCrystal]

@opa_nuklear Consider that you have served 3 days of the ban and now reached an understanding of the rule interpretation, I will unban you now.

If you feel like there needs to be clarification to the current system, please head of the suggestion forum as Hazardous pointed out and make a suggestion.