Ultra clog 5/6

[Crazy_Skeleton]

I won on lvl 10 yesterday vs that clog startegy. We had 2 lvl 7 holders. Even though i
FULLY SUPPORT to make changes so no ultra clog can happn!

[Stiff_Maistar]

Well the clog strategy is banned under the general rule "Do not purposely glitch or exploit the game". And lihl is under the general rules, so as long as lihl dont have a "clogging is allowed" rule, players who use it can and should be banned.
@Radiantcrystal any input?

[Diablo_]

It is still up to us define what is glitch abuse (in LIHL)

[Beastman]

So people no longer play 4s game in LIHL because of 5-6 clog. Please do something.

[n1ll3]

Yes i am one of the persons who dodge s4 games cause of that clog

when you have ea turret inf and you decide to clog and leak 70 units at 5. Is that no glitch abuse? If its not the game is really broken!

It is still up to us define what is glitch abuse (in LIHL)

So define this in general and in this specific case pls @diablo_
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=8666461

And i dont understand the fact of general rules if they are handled different in lihl and 1200+...

Maybe @RadiantCrystal (who is also a part of lihl moderation if im right) can tell us his opinion regarding this.
Maybe you remember this: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=101349&p=400528&hilit=opa_nuklear#p400528

[magicpotatoes]

I've been dodging 4s for few days,it's just unplayable atm. Been playing lihl for over a year and never seen such low quality games.

[aRt)Y]

It is still up to us define what is glitch abuse (in LIHL) :)

That statement is partly wrong.

ENT's overall rule interpretations apply to LIHL, too. What we define as bug, exploit or glitch apply to you, too.

LIHL's jurisdiction lies within deciding whether said bug, exploit or glitch is allowed or forbidden in LIHL games.
Given you have recently added two rules to set criteria to when clogging is ban-able, the definite general rule (clogging is forbidden) has been abrogated for LIHL games.

[TinSoldier]

lol its just funny i think that people think level 5/6 clog is the issue when i've seen people mass yggs instead of tok to leak more/clog on 15. Its really the same "bug" or "glitch" whether its lvl 5/6 or lvl 15 when your intention is to leak more to buy time or die slower. Most people here complaining are the ones who abuse level 15 clog the most so I think its just hypocritical that you don't like one type of clog and think its "unplayable" but you're always willing to clog on the latter.

I'm actually really happy that lvl 5/6 clog is back because its going to force the noob level 15 cloggers to learn some new plays and metas. Right now every game turns into having 2 holders for lvl 7/14 and 2 suicide lanes and clogging on 15. I've seen games where 2x hydra players, 1 tok and 1 EA lose a game on lvl 15 to teams who simply clog more.

So to all the people complaining about it here, either you are against ALL forms of clog or none of it, because then you are just a cry baby bitch who needs to learn some new plays.

[n1ll3]

Indeed all forms of clog are bad. And if anyone says now "clog is the only way to counter an outroll" thats wrong. Becasue now if only one team has an archer or strong anti 14 they win. All games are like 1.lose no heal before midgame 2.make sure you hold 14(means one or 2 holder depending on heals) 3.clog as hard as you can. So fact is now the outrolled team has really no chance to win becasue they need more value to make sure they hold 14 and this results in a lose 15 cause more value less clog.....

[AvadaKedavra]

lol its just funny i think that people think level 5/6 clog is the issue when i've seen people mass yggs instead of tok to leak more/clog on 15. Its really the same "bug" or "glitch" whether its lvl 5/6 or lvl 15 when your intention is to leak more to buy time or die slower. Most people here complaining are the ones who abuse level 15 clog the most so I think its just hypocritical that you don't like one type of clog and think its "unplayable" but you're always willing to clog on the latter.

I'm actually really happy that lvl 5/6 clog is back because its going to force the noob level 15 cloggers to learn some new plays and metas. Right now every game turns into having 2 holders for lvl 7/14 and 2 suicide lanes and clogging on 15. I've seen games where 2x hydra players, 1 tok and 1 EA lose a game on lvl 15 to teams who simply clog more.

So to all the people complaining about it here, either you are against ALL forms of clog or none of it, because then you are just a cry baby bitch who needs to learn some new plays.

You have any realistic way of avoiding clog on 15/17? Like what set of rules / restrictions would you suggest to prevent it, while at the same time, not hurting players with weak rolls, people who have their lane die to mistakes, unlucky focus, suprise sends/hard sends, fast games with no king gold, etc., from ppl who clog on purpose? It seems almost impossible to combat, without having the ability to change the map itself. I don't think many people really like clog, but at the same time, why would you build toks, if u have zero chance of going mid and it's a race?

It's not as easy as just saying "don't clog", and contrary to clog on 5 /6 which is always on purpose, clogging 15/17 can happen naturally.

Personally I suggested that Brouder makes anti-clog measures on 15+ on his map, and let previous levels remain unchanged, which could lead to a solution if we swtich to his map in lihl. Clogging even more on purpose, in such a boring way as 5/6 clog, will not fix anything.

[1007]

simplay just need fix lv 14
i saw 3300 value ea (with tot) hold 5k send(he just lost 1upgrade tot)
we need make immo and ea fear lv 14

[godlik3]

so u guys think the clog 5 6 is abuse
but its ok to suicide and win on lvl 14 or 15?
so its not skilled to do that but its pure skill to have 2 holders or immo on 7 and 2 suiciders to auto win the game on 14 15?
or have a archer to hold 14 and gg the other team?
the clog 5-6 came back because of that shit strategie that u guys from 1200 do.
if u dont like clog play 2s ( imo the best game )
u guys simple managed to clog on 15 also on a NON CLOG map....this is increable
u win a season because of this hold 7 and suicide auto win 14 15 and now that we improve a strategie to defeat that u are complaning....just sad!

[godlik3]

wanna improve the game?remove immolation, do 14 weaker and 15 with no behe kraken send only demon

[Jamo]

"improve a strategy", I think opinions on this one are diverse...
Also, nobody said clog win 14/15 is a desirable strategy, nobody is questioning that this is boring af also.
I haven't really played much lihl this season so far, so I don't have the full picture on how things go at the moment. But I got the impression, when this topic was started literally every game was super clog 5/6, no matter what. Now, this has changed a bit and it's not like that anymore, but people still dodge 4s because of those problems.

[1007]

check recent game you guys think 90% games lv 5/6 clogging game? i think barely 10%?lv5 clog game(or less)
only ava making clog 5/6 game for tell mod 'see this meta shit'