ratedlol eu ff abuse?

[ratedlol]

Your Warcraft III username: ratedlol, ratedlolv2
Realm/Gateway: server.eurobattle.net
Why are you banned: ff abuse
Why you should be unbanned:
My team decided to ff, after the enemy refused to draw with someone trolling us, sending solo and intentionally teamkilling. He refused to send with us and the enemy team started mocking, while refusing to draw. Getting banned for ffing in such a scenario is not game ruining and we decided to ff as a result of tk.

Open for any discussion regarding the issue, but this is actually rediciulous beeing banned for ffing in a clearly intentional tk game.

[ratedlol]

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There was already said a lot of untrue things, he refused to communicate, pinging him had no result. He did not reply the entire game, build as much in front as possible. He did not send with us, clearly didnt say a word while not accepting any advice, this game was pathetic and im not someone that instantly ffs every game. I asked for draw and went for ff to not waste our and our enemies time to wait for lvl 7 and try to go even while still losing out in the long run. The game was decided and ruined long before we went for the ff. On top of that he intentionally send on 3 when we asked him to send on 2, pinging him(not spam pinging) to actually send. While he send a dino on 3 so he knew how to send

[Mercy]

Please read the link provided in the ban request towards the bottom. If you votekicked, you likely would have won the game. Level 3 is never a decided round unless you have lost all heals between 1 and 2 and that is why I reported.

I do not waste moderators time, having been one myself for three years.

[ratedlol]

I've read through the informations provided, "If you votekicked, you likely would have won the game" going into the game 3v4 this seems unlikely as an outcome and is pretty rediculous to say. Im not trying to waste anyones time, but there is just no point of game ruining here. I dont accept the punishment with the argument, we would have likely won the game 3v4 . It's pretty pointless to go on with this game, trying to prolong it without any purpose. Since we called it early i asked for draw and after a complete refusal of blue to communicate there is not much point to go on.


for me at this point this applied: "..so they could avoid further humiliation/time waste"

[Max-Well]

Please dont accuse people to intentionaly team kill if they not. It was blues first game so he did not play like he should but this is ok. We all started somewhere and did not know what to do. And so far he hold his line and did not leak. We all have do deal with newbies who dont build like we a used or do some solo send.

Like Mercy said normaly at lvl 3 a game is not decieded. This game to barely 5 minuts so you did not really give blue a chance to start communication. I had it myselfe. Sometimes you have to talk longer to newbies before they answer and start to listen. !ff is a vote to end a clearly lost game. Like when u leak hundets of creeps and dont want to wait that your king is killed. This game wasn't done jet. Thats why u banned.

Futhermore you could have left the lobby when you saw a newbie joining.

[Mercy]

The game is never decided at 3 and with your team, yes, you could have won the game. I have won many games 3v4 and it is never acceptable to ff before the game is truly decided- for example, shockwave, no heals or one heal, 80 leaks at 7. A game with 4 heals, no king skill, etc is not decided at 3. Ever. Regardless of the lack of communication, you could have votekicked him, and continued the game. Instead, you forfeited a game that was, again, undecided. That is why you are banned.

[ratedlol]

okay there is something called trying to communicate and refusing to communicate. Judge for urself what blue did here. He clearly send 3 when we said 2, after pinging and building while getting pinged im sure he must have noticed smth went on. I dont have a problem playing with someone newb, this is not the case here. There was no point prolonging the game, when you have someone like this in your team. I wouldnt have ffd if i knew this was coming up the way it did.

A lvl 3 game is decided when you have someone not sending, giving them time to save up while not having any risk of getting pressured themselves, as i mentioned before there was a certain aspect of mocking, while refusing to draw in early lvls with someone this unexperienced.
We ffd not with the intend of abusing, but yet to not prolong a game that ends up with further humiliation and time waste.

And yes im calling for him beeing tk, when he knows what hes doing but ignores anything said and told to him. On top of that it was a clear solosend on 3.

[Max-Well]

If you tried several times your could have kicked him and continue as 3 vs 4. Still no reason to ff. Mercy is right a lot of 3 vs 4 games a won, even 4 vs 4 with a solo sender. Still no reason to ff.

You could have kicked him. Kicking a player ruins the game for the rulebreaker. ff ruins the game for every one in the fame.Thats why we ban thos abuses.

[ratedlol]

and again, there wasnt an intention behind the ff, if you noticed it was not me calling for that vote. Im sure you mean it right, but there this feels like you are justifying a ban with a "what could be if...". My game got ruined by someone like blue, and with the intention and the strong believe that this game was over at 3 i voted for ff.

STILL calling for this beeing entirely rediculous and this topic really senseless. At lvl 3 you dont give up on a game where you feel you have chances, right? We clearly didnt. My intention was only to avoid a waste of time going for a later game where 3v4 you are behind no matter what you do.
Since when do you have to justify when and how you ff the way i have to do it here. I think this is some sort of special treatment for Mercy going on rampage about this

Would like to hear other opinions, maybe less biased than you Max-Well and Mercy. At this point just saying the game wasnt over you cant ff, doesnt seem like a proper statement

[ratedlol]

So ill elaborate some more, it seems necessary at this point and ill take the time for that.

Halp stated in the initial ban request the intention behind my actions:" I do not see them intentionally abusing the !ff function, nor did they ruin the game, they dealt with a game ruiner not by leaving the game but by by using the !ff function as they felt they were going to lose. They should not be banned."

In what way could i have acted differently according to Max-Well:" I go with Mercy. FF is there do give up on a decieded game. Thats not the reason here. Yes blue build pretty much in front and did not send the right units, but that was his first game. Futhermore till LVL 3 where they ff he hold his line. The better behavior would have been try to communicate with him and teach him how to play."

So there was a refusal of communication, i hope that everyone reading this thinks about it the same way, else there isnt much ground on which im talking here. You are talking as if it is okay for everyone to play a game 3v4 or worse 4v4 with someone feeding the enemy gold by sending.
You are clearly stating we should've kicked him, and went on 3v4 but I didnt want to play a game 3v4 or this 3v5 the way this turned out. I looked for other options and in the end went with someones call to ff. You pretend this is an intentional / unintentional abuse of ff, if this really turns out to be a reasonable ban, your rules are straight up bullshit.

Conclusion: I ffd because i didnt feel that this game was what ive joined for and was not likely to be won under these cirumstances, therefore im asking for a unban, because this ban isnt justified as a game ruining ff abuse. Use common sense, thank you

[Mercy]

Hazardous, one of the lead admits gave his reasons behind ff being bannable if you would care to reference this thread, and it is roughly the same circumstances. There are more recent ones, I am sure but keyword search removes ff and only seeks abuse.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94172&p=373268&hilit=Forfeit+abuse#p373268

[ratedlol]

Mercy im asking you to read my quotes, i quoted him aswell.

..."we assumed that people had the capacity to realize when a game is clearly over _and when not_ , so they could avoid further humiliation/time waste"


And again, would like someone less biased to give his objective opinion instead of talking on against someone not really reading my intentions.

[Mercy]

Intentions aren't the point. The fact is, you used ff at an undecided point in the game. This game was not decided at level 3.

[ratedlol]

Im saying that this game was in my personal judgement decided. Of course intentions never justify actions? well why do we have an appeal section here then. Id like you to wait for someone else to response because you arent stating anything new here. As well as you not beeing a mod therefore, your opinion stated will be read, but you are not in charge, neither deciding about this. Remember that maybe!

[LTDNorb]

I am a bystander, but from my point this ban is unjustified as the reporting person wasn't blue. So far (at least from my observation, I don't follow each BRQ) when people got banned for early !ff the reporting person was the 4th player in that team, who felt cheated. So the winners feel cheated of a game experience vs either 3 or 4 with a not-listening fella?

The rules were made, as far as I can tell, so people wouldn't !ff when they get warriored on lvl 1 or something like that, protecting the 4th player of a team. Yes, the game wasn't over yet, but imo this is stretching the intention of rule at best, as I still feel that only 4th player of that team should be allowed to report it. 3vs4 or playing with a TK can hardly be called an interesting/even game for any side (0% vs good players, maybe 10-15% vs noobs). Losers gonna dodge that TK, winners got the free ELO, move on. Banning people for this case seems silly to me.