BeepBoopBeep MHING BAN REQUEST

[AnA]

Your Warcraft III username:
Violator's Warcraft III username: BeepBoopBeep
Game name or map name: Freeze Tag
Approximate date/time of game (alternatively, link to a Stats page):
Rule player violated: Maphacking
Time of incidents (Note in-game timer or replay timer): replay timer

00:49 - Randomly shoots uphill without any vision of us, very precise as well.
1:03 - Shoots uphill as soon as we get there, again no vision.
3:40 - Plays very safe knowing we will go mid and not bot, dodges fogged arrow.
4:00 - Goes top as soon as we go top, hmm..

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Also its not like hes shooting random arrows uphill with pure luck, all his arrows are precise knowing exactly where the target it. Keep in mind allies do not grant vision.

[uakf.b]

00:49 this is only the second arrow that blue shoots in the game (and the first one was immediately at beginning of the round), and it also involves very random movement to the left. He also doesn't move away after shooting it, instead seems to see arrows in fog and dodges successfully.

1:06 didn't have vision of them moving to bottom, although it was predictable still he gets shot that is perfectly in line with pink.

4:50-ish: shoots arrow to right

[Raizen]

very suspicious

0:47 change direction (without vision)
0:50 shot at the right place (without any vision)
arround 2: and 2:29 2 unfreeze (without vision)

3:39 again change direction to dodge (without vision)

4:10 go to the top at the only time they go top too

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[uakf.b]

arround 2: and 2:29 2 unfreeze (without vision)

This is possible because it pings on map when you get frozen... so you can just shoot on minimap at same place. Still rest of the things are suspicious.

[QTriNitY]

I would only agree on this shot -
00:49 - Randomly shoots uphill without any vision of us, very precise as well.

Its the 1st shot of the game and opponent (SheepBomb.daP8) hasn't revealed himself in this locality.
The fashion of BBB's shot was not 'Spray' but Snipe.
However, this is the only situation we have in this game, personally i deem that this alone is insufficient of a MH call.

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[iCoNNecT]

Many suspicious arrows including the reason stated above... The probability of that kind of luck is pretty slim but still possible though. 0:49 still isnt enough evidence for MH though because he still can be just checking his surrounding, so i try looking for further info In-game. If you see from blue Fog of war off hes shooting arrows like he has red P.O.V. Other arrow like 1:06 and 1:10. He had no vision on red on 1:10 but still shot it. 1:18 another lucky arrow no vision. He made no unlucky arrow without vision. Redic map awareness and guessing? Even though the map pings I can't even tell where they are unfrozen up hill no vision. 2:25 shot arrow on pink without prior vision of knowing where he is.
After they were accusing him of Map hack he try to be less lenient on the arrows. He clearly saw pink at 4:13 with no fog and didnt shoot, and still continue to walk uphill. He shot after pink shot the second arrow having vision couple second after, so it wouldn't look like Map hack. If BBB was so good map awareness from his previous arrow, he would have shot pink and stop being less obvious of map hacking. Why didn't he shoot pink at 4:13. It look like pink should have been in fog, but wasnt. He clearly thought he was in Fog of war and didnt realize he showed him self because they were accusing him of map hack. Even though you could have been redic map awareness and still shoot like he had vision of red POV, he would of shot pink. Most of the early shoots like at 1:10 he was shooting them without having prior knowledge of where red was at. Red was still in fog and not showing himself.

[cyberpunk]

@QTriNitY Ana said the same thing to me
So you should play w uak.. or even w emzly to understand what mh is.. In this scene red went to south, if you think as group, he did a shot in perimeter.. so I discard this point as mher..
Also everyone who plays w bbb is knowing, he lags like a girl wanting a cyberpunk guy.. imho this game was based on luck which has some movements where there's no way he is mhing.
You can accuse him of mhing in the first rounds.. but what about the rest of the game?

[QTriNitY]

@QTriNitY Ana said the same thing to me
So you should play w uak.. or even w emzly to understand what mh is.. In this scene red went to south, if you think as group, he did a shot in perimeter.. so I discard this point as mher..
Also everyone who plays w bbb is knowing, he lags like a girl wanting a cyberpunk guy.. imho this game was based on luck which has some movements where there's no way he is mhing.
You can accuse him of mhing in the first rounds.. but what about the rest of the game?

My conclusion is BBB was not maphacking. please read the last sentence of my comment.

[cyberpunk]

My conclusion is BBB was not maphacking. please read the last sentence of my comment.

Sorry I did not read. I just saw the pics and wanted to post the same thing I said to ana.

[QTriNitY]

To all, I stand firm that BBB was not map hacking in this game. I hope that others can consider one point.
Point - iightfyre is playing bait for BBB in the same team. BBB's safe positioning can be well debated solely on this fact.

Also, once an engagement begins, shots are unpredictable. BBB's shots - Be them firing like an AK47 or from a Sniper's gun is irrelevant.
For a MH conclusion, BBB has to be shooting several accurate blind shots before opponents reveal their positioning.
And this will take more than just 1 shot at 0:49. Again, my conclusion is BBB was not maphacking in this game.

[uakf.b]

Will be watched in the future @BeepBoopBeep .

Just procedure :)