I'd like another mods opinion.

[django_2chainz]

No, I don't feel that I did anything wrong. I assumed by the fact you banned me for no reason, you'd ban the other guy for no reason. How can I be accused of game ruining or not sending with my team, when I never had ANY say in when we send? I was not asked, I was not reasoned with. If my teammates mute me, again, for literally no reason, how can I be at fault for not sending with the team? That is a horrible standard to follow.

[Karils]

@zeratul, you specifically agreed that purple did something wrong. He has not said the same. How can I process anything if no agreement can be made with the player in question? I'm not sure why you're arguing about the ignore use when I already stated the same. Bans aren't applied on those which post the BRQ, it isn't that you can't make one against them if you think they actually broke a rule too.

You can't agree that he broke a rule and also say that he did nothing wrong..

EDIT: The most recent response shows that he does not agree that he broke a rule, going against what you (zeratul), I, and other mods on discord have said.

[Zeratul]

But you banned him, after reviewing the game - Basically approving teal blue behaviour, and banning purple's - thats the whole point lol

As i stated earlier, purple should have sent and at best, report blue/teal for forcing a send (which you would have denied since in ur opinion red dind't care and followed - it dind't matter if they communicated or not, since 3/4 sent - you already proved by ur posts thats how ur seeing this case).

But i wont blame purple without blaming blue/teal - So either you would have warned/banned both (you cant ban the OP per ent's guidelines, meaning at most you should have warned both and deny the brq, instead of banning purple alone, aproving blue/teal behaviour).

PS: Well you dont exactly require my "consensus" as im not the OP of the appeal or the brq (i just stated my opinion), but i can understand purple's position, since if i was in his place, i woulnd't admit to the refusal to send as well, since the other 2 never communicated or made an effort at all

[Zeratul]

But if you want to go with that, i can make it easier for you:

@django_2chainz reply to the following:

1) You do agree that you should have sent 14, despite blue/teal having you ignored, since it would have been the best for the team (all sending together that is), yes?

2) However you dont agree with the fact that you got banned/its bannable, since you were ignored for no reason by half your team, and when you asked to send 15, no1 replied, yes?

I think this sums your point of view on the case (which matches mine)

Thanks in advance

[django_2chainz]

I mean, I guess if I have to agree that its better to send with the whole team, even if its a bad call/send, yeah. That's true, and yes, I don't understand how I am liable for a ban for my actions.

It seems odd that you can bullied into sends, by players who don't talk to you, and it results in a ban for you.

Edit: I mean just by this standard, I could go on with 2 of my friends. We could ignore the fourth player and all of us send together, whenever we want and then have the fourth player banned. That seems pretty legit.

[Zeratul]

@django_2chainz Sooo ... to make this easier for you (and the moderator(s)) - Next time this happens, will you please attempt to follow the team call (even if its a forced one)? At best, just report them (after the game ends) for forcing a send without consulting the team (or ignoring the team for no reason).

Thanks

[django_2chainz]

If that is the case, does that result in a ban for the people who ignore you? (without just cause, of course)

Or is that just acceptable behavior?

[Brandom]

No, I don't feel that I did anything wrong. I assumed by the fact you banned me for no reason, you'd ban the other guy for no reason. How can I be accused of game ruining or not sending with my team, when I never had ANY say in when we send? I was not asked, I was not reasoned with. If my teammates mute me, again, for literally no reason, how can I be at fault for not sending with the team? That is a horrible standard to follow.

Yes u did something wrong, even if send was bad and forced there are still chances to win/take heals or whatever, if 3 players sent and u refused to send their lumber was basicly wasted.

If one guy forced send and two guys decided to follow u have to send because in this situation it is quasi team decision. You can report guy who forced send ofc but u have to follow if your whole team sent. Situation would look different if one person solo sent and 3 guys decided to not follow but that was not the case.

3 guys sent and you didn't, it is clear for me that you deserve ban because you reduced win chane to 0% when u decided to not send with team.

[Zeratul]

Depends on why they ignore you - If you somehow provoke it, they have every right to ignore you, and the moderator in this appeal already agreed as well that their ignore wasn't completely acceptable either.

Now to get past this (since this appeal has been long enough) - Can the moderator(s) trust that next time you will follow your team calls/sends? If they ignore you for no reason (forcing sends, causing miscommunication), simply report them - dont take actions on your own (like the one you did, for refusing to send): They were wrong for ignoring you for no reason and sending without consulting, but you refusing to send doesn't make your action acceptable (despite theirs) ^^

[Karils]

If that is the case, does that result in a ban for the people who ignore you? (without just cause, of course)

Or is that just acceptable behavior?

Just cause is subjective, so keep that in mind. Ignoring in itself is not against the rules, as communication can be possible through other players, etc. Red choosing not to give opinions/respond to others definitely didn't help the cause in this case.

Please in the future, play through games in a way which benefits the team, and act on perceived rule breaking only after the game has concluded, in the BRQ section.

Unbanning/Processing.

[django_2chainz]

I'll be a happy hostage in the future =)

Also, I never post on these boards, it doesn't matter to me if someone gets banned. I don't go out of my way to request things on a 20 year old video game. However, it sucks when I go to play and I can't due to some butthurt child who needs his Elo fix.

But yes, if a situation like this one arises again, I'll just do what they do and I will report them.