mac book player

[Connorchaos]

I know there is a problem with mac book players dropping when anyone picks tiny or void in dota.

I also understand if they use a windows 10 O.S. (which they can on a mac book) they wont drop.

You can use a virtualization program, which runs Windows 10 like an app right on top of OS X, or you can use Apple's built-in Boot Camp program to partition your hard drive to dual-boot Windows 10 right next to OS X. ... But it does give Windows full access to the processing power of your Mac.

Maybe we should make a rule that mac users use this in order to stop from ruining games.

My brother runs a mac and has no issues.

I know You will say we cant force people to use certain O.S. but yet you will force people in some instances to use gproxy

[Unitil]

The difference between forcing someone to use another OS, and using a reconnection tool are:

1. Installing an OS requires one to own a pre-existing copy or to purchase said copy from Microsoft.
   • This can cost the user between $165 ~ $260 CAD.
   • Though there are ways to obtain said software illegitimately, we do not condone breaking the law simply to prevent desync issues with a single map.
2. GProxy DLL is a free resource, with a simple installation. All that is required is that the user drops it into their installation folder.
   • This takes two seconds to install, and helps prevent disconnects from our hosting bot.
   • In addition to this, GProxy DLL is only forced on individuals that show a tendency for disconnecting often or have a fairly low stay % due to being disconnected.

It is not feasible to force a single operating system on an entire community, and GProxy is a fast/free solution to help prevent being disconnected.

[Connorchaos]

@until That would be incorrect as most mac books now come with windows ten along with mac os as an app that can just be downloaded or to partition the hard drive.

Using it as an app will not work you actually have to partition the hard drive to be running on the windows os solely, this take about as much effort to install gproxy.

And as you stated this would only be enforced on the players that continually get disconnected due to some player picking tiny or void.

Since this only really happens on a handful of players, you would not be forcing the entire community. Although you are forcing the community to not be able to to play popular characters when someone shows up with a mac book os. If someone still decides to pick tiny or void then you have an un balanced game.

Last but not least you can always download windows 10 for free, It just will not work with out the license key. Many places that purchased many keys that they may no longer need are selling these keys legally. Since those places paid a premium to lets say buy 20 keys and needed only 15, in the license agreements they can sell the extra keys for what every they want since they already paid the premium for the keys. Google it some legitimate places are selling keys for as little as 15 usd.

Maybe at the least a rule can be made that mac book players should have to announce in the lobby that they are using a mac book, as we do with game modes in ltd. This way players can decide that if they want to play tiny or void to wait for another game.

[Sylvanas]

The worst is when they swap into tiny or void and don't use avalanche/chrono in order to prevent their own disconnection. I'd rather have 2 people disconnect than have one of those stay.

[Essenze]

​I stand corrected with regards to the product key price, however, this does not eliminate the premium involved with having a legitimate copy of Windows on your system.

Maybe at the least a rule can be made that mac book players should have to announce in the lobby that they are using a mac book, as we do with game modes in ltd. This way players can decide that if they want to play tiny or void to wait for another game.

This is a much better solution with regards to the issue at hand. As it currently stands, there is nothing limiting users from selecting Tiny/Void in DotA. If a rule were to be added for this, it would need to be a double edge rule to govern both Mac users and Windows users.

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When playing on a Macintosh (Mac) operating system (OS), the player is required to announce their OS in the lobby before the game starts. Every player must be informed, so they have the opportunity to leave in case of dislike. With the announcement of a Mac player, Tiny (Mountain Giant), and Void (Faceless Void) are banned during the game.

This is very lengthy rule, and has potential for being reduced in size, however, this would cover most of the bases to help prevent the heroes that cause desync for Macs from being chosen.

I am not against searching for a potential solution for this, however, forcing a portion of the community to install an OS with a premium would most likely have some backlash.

[Sylvanas]

This is very lengthy rule, and has potential for being reduced in size, however, this would cover most of the bases to help prevent the heroes that cause desync for Macs from being chosen.

The problem is arem. You don't get to choose your hero and only get 2 shots at getting a hero you like. Nobody wants to be forced into repicking tiny/void just to lose gold and get stuck with a hero they hate. What if you or someone else already repicked for any other reason and got tiny or void? Then, those mac players will expect them to swap them away to someone who still has their repick so that other person can repick them. It doesn't matter which team they're on either. They expect it to be everyone else's problem. They just shouldn't be playing arem. If they do, they should be responsible for the problems they cause.

[Connorchaos]

@Sylvanas at least if it was announced in the lobby that a player is using a mac. the other players could make the choice to play that game or not. If players decided to stay in that game then it would be on them.

[EdgeOfChaos]

It shouldn't be the other player's responsibility to accommodate your broken operating system. The problem is the mac, not the other players. Plus as said before, it puts you at a disadvantage if you random it. The mac players are the ones ruining, not the people picking tiny/void.

[Connorchaos]

@EdgeOfChaos I feel the same. This is why I posted this to see if there is some kind of resolution or at the least some type of compromise.

[Sylvanas]

@Sylvanas at least if it was announced in the lobby that a player is using a mac. the other players could make the choice to play that game or not. If players decided to stay in that game then it would be on them.

Provided everyone in lobby is aware of this, the heroes are still going to get randomed. Everyone would be expected to repick tiny/void to accommodate them. If anything repicks into tiny/void, they would then be expected to swap and have others repick them. Or better even, should people be interdicted to use their repick because god forbid they might random a hero that would disconnect the mac player(s)? What if the last available repick is tiny or void? What if you like your own hero and you don't want to repick someone else's void/tiny, would it be a bannable offense to just use your own hero? What if someone repicks into tiny/void and multiple allies have unused repicks, would they all be rule breaking if they don't actively seek to swap+repick tiny/void? Would those games allow people to play void/tiny without the dropping skills? Can you force a draw because you got void/tiny and don't want to lose gold by repicking for someone else or because you did repick and don't like your new hero? I'm wondering who's going to be at fault in a "mac friendly" game.

[Panopticon]

If I random void or tiny, I'm going to stay with said hero, because in all honesty, mac OS is a shitty operating system, and if you run said operating system and expect people to accommodate for your bad decisions, then you're just as shitty.

[Dhamma]

Banning other people for picking void or tiny, just because there is a mac user in the game is ridiculous.

This game isn't mean't to be run on a mac and the user is aware of this. they play the game at the risk of being dropped.

This could start trolling. Anyone can just say they are on a mac and ban ppl for picking them.

If a player randoms void/tiny, they are expected to lose gold and repick? How is that fair to them in any way, shape, or form?



The only version of this rule that makes sense is banning a mac user who picks void/tiny to drop himself, as i sometimes see.

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THIS ->

It shouldn't be the other player's responsibility to accommodate your broken operating system. The problem is the mac, not the other players. Plus as said before, it puts you at a disadvantage if you random it. The mac players are the ones ruining, not the people picking tiny/void.

[Sylvanas]

!deny

Keep in mind the suggestion is this

I also understand if they use a windows 10 O.S. (which they can on a mac book) they wont drop.
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Maybe we should make a rule that mac users use this in order to stop from ruining games.

[Dhamma]

Yes, you are right. It flew out of my mind when Until made his 'counter suggestion' XD *facepalm*


Well all the bug makes them do is leave the game. Auto ban already takes care of that. Since people leave the game all the time anyway, I don't see any reason to change anything.

[aRt)Y]

ENT is governing its games, not its players' hardware.

Therefore, the rules only apply to the game itself. If players use Mac, they are free to do so with all the consequences attached to it.