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He removed my reply more than 3times because my reply is perfectly providing the evidence of that he is wrong about bear only strategy.
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The reason he banned me is I played jugg with rad and just walked around.
Av1oN wrote:Hardly. If anything, a sylla-bear only is guilty of a couple of KS's due to dagon being a commonly used item. Other than that, it's actually the opposite. Any teammate automatically can just take the gold since bear's only source of damage is a slow DPS (Radi).
I used my rad as a slow DPS as what Av1on said.
Av1oN wrote:Going to also say that radi bear, as stated, holds a lot of tanking potential. For a team to even focus a bear in team fight is damage being absorbed to a unit that does nothing but feed a couple hundred gold. Not only that, but if the bear is being utilized as such and not just going full-flank, BM can easily kill off anything that's targeting such. To say that the bear holds nothing but a grief-like spot (ks, stealing gold, no effectiveness) is just silly honestly. It's still a 6 slot capable tanking unit with fast move-speed and a default mana pool.
My jugg has a 6 slot capable tanking unit with my healing ward with fast move-speed with travel boots and a default mana pool as what Av1on said
Av1oN wrote:If the underlying argument is banning player A for refusing to defend the base, then this suggestion is easily archived as it's already against the rules. However, and as it's been going on, if we're arguing the bear-only strat being disallowed on ENT then that's why we are continuing. And again to make my point more clear - The bear-only strategy is integrating any potential you have as a hero into your bear and therefor using that unit and producing all items on-to, that unit. Which also means, that unit is practically you and therefor, that unit is required to defend the base, help push and overall contribute to the team and if that unit is not doing so, that unit is against the rules.
I did not refuse defencing base. I was in every fight where scourge is pushing which isn't against rule. And I was going to make necrobook and blademail after heart which is integrating and any potential I have as a hero into my hero and there for using that my jugg and producing all items on-to (necrobook and blademail that i couldn't finish). I used my rad jugg to help push and overall contribute to the team just exactly like what bear only does.
Av1oN wrote:The strategy/method is not the issue here, it's merely just a mix of words at this point. To say the bear doesn't hold enough contributing factors to the team is like saying any hero that falls behind doesn't hold enough factors. My responses are generic because if we're speaking to the game as an entirety and not specific views like such in an eyes of a decent player or an innovative one, the bear honestly holds no real difference to a hero and therefor, as I've been saying, to leave it the way it is.
I was just falls behind doesn't hold enough factors with exactly same play of bear only.
Av1oN wrote:I am trying to discuss, in yes a very generic and rule-relating sense, that the bear only strat can either work or it can't. In this case, I'm to believe that pros outweigh the cons if I'm being honest. It's just unnecessary to start to hammering down on unique strategies simply because of (reference; OP) a bad game experience.
Av1on just hammer down on unique strategies simply. I just copied bear only strategy on my jugg which can be considered as a unique strategy base on what Av1on said.
Av1oN wrote:What is the preferred alternative? If a sylla and his bear are both equipped and die whilst trying to defend how is that different from the bear alone trying to defend? They both put in the same effort. If the bear dies and the sylla with no items, summon on cd and 5-10 levels below everyone else walks out into a team of 5 pushing a rax, what is there to benefit then? It's just another death and it's delaying the possibility of the bear respawning. The only difference to be said here is the potential outcome but again, speaking in a rule-sense, if player x defends with team and it's unsuccessful, then oh well. If player x doesn't defend, they are in violation of rules because then yes, player x did not participate and initially let his team die. Same thing to be said if player x was a sole bear player.
If a jugg die with common item and attack a hero and die whilst trying to defend how is that different from the jugg with radiance not attack unit just exactly same as bear alone trying to defend? this is the question based on what Av1on said.
Av1oN wrote:Av1oN wrote:aimskjs wrote:Bear with rad can't defend base which mean this is against rule.
Bear with rad + other items, with his team, can definitely assist in defending the base..? Not sure what you're trying to say here.
I had rad on my jugg and used my healing ward that I did more than just rad on bear did definitely assist in defending the base as what Av1on said.Av1oN wrote:aimskjs wrote:the best(<bear? I guess) DOESN'T holds no real difference to a hero no matter what.
How so? It has 6 slots at it's disposal, is given 2700hp and has a relatively fast movespeed. Care to elaborate?
My jugg has 6 slots at its disposal and I made travel boots for fast movespeed and was making heart for hp. Bear only can't attack unit that Av1on knows and my jugg did same thing.Av1oN wrote:aimskjs wrote:Our focus isn't the comparison but we need to explain why using bear only should be considered as afk greifing with comparison of othe hero and strategy.
How is it considered afk griefing when you're actively pressuring lanes and harassing lower-health heroes/potentially killing them with your bear?
I did not afk griefing and used my hero to push lane bot and top as you can see replay. Also my rad killed silencer at top river just same as what bear only does.Av1oN wrote:aimskjs wrote:It is not just a bad game experience. It is literally 4v5 outnumbered game without leaver gold. All lanes are pushing by bear. Well if bear can take all cs with rad, it would be nice, but u know that that rad doesn't damage enough to take all cs from the lane. If you are lucky, you will take 50% or bit more than 50% of cs at lane (if you are unlucky its under 30% of cs) which means we waste of farm.
Not sure how you based that analysis, but a bear with rad can cs pretty well in lane pressuring.
Av1on just need to watch replay and how many cs I missed without attack and just used rad for it.Av1oN wrote:aimskjs wrote:Even if hero and bear both die while defending, sylla does more usefull in fight.
Not saying it didn't. We're not arguing performance, we are stating that a bear is perfectly capable of defending period.
We were not arguing performance but he banned me for my poor performance.
In conclusion, Av1on can't ban me for my unique strategy with jugg copied bear only strategy based on what he said. Also, Av1on shouldn't remove my replies. I just played a jugg like that on purpose to give our community to show how retarded you play with rad and not attack a single unit entire game. Any staff shouldn't remove the reply unless it is very violate. If Av1on want to ban me for jugg with rad and walk around without attack, please start ban bear only with rad without attack. You can't say bear can't attack because bear can attack if hero is nearby. And Av1on need to keep his word not to ban for new strategies as long as rad does slow DPS and make assists. If any other mod still want to ban both bear only and my new strategy with jugg, I will take ban because it is what i want to do ban use bear only which make team feel 4v5 entire game. but Av1on can't ban me. Please restore my replies on my suggestion. Everyone has right to see a sample and how Av1on judge me when he doesn't ban bear only.
