IT'S TIME TO BAN MEEPO

[Peachtree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs9T6MYVDPw

[Dhamma]

OD is actually a pretty good hero vs a geo. Although he may have a hard time countering on his own. He can be just as disruptive as a stunner.

He has high dps, his ult deals good damage in a large area. But most annoying is his astral imprisonment. It completely removes the hero from the map. So if it's a lone geo, he can't poof his clones to it.


Another hero is silenser. Max Graives, 2 nulls, and you can dps kill him in 4 hits mid game. Even when going the conventional way, he's a great hero to counter geo.


Mag too. For the same reasons as sven. With an added bonus of being able to move the battle to his desired location. This could be a nightmare to geo.

[tinkertonker]

I dont think this is necessarily true,

but if you compare techies to other heroes you can easily see why he is superior.

Let's compare techies to say crix.

Let's look at their ults.

The cool down for techies ult is only 10 seconds, does 750 damage instantly to everything within 600 yards, and be cast safely from a distance. This gives techies huge aoe and reach. All that is needed is scepter.

Crix ult has a much higher cool down, requires you to have a dagger to blink to use effectively, you can be stunned or interrupted while casting and you will lose your ult. The damage isnt as high or reliable. You also have to put yourself in danger to use your ult as it will slow you down. Crix has low health.

Crix sandstorm has been buffed, but it still sucks. Landmines do very high damage even after they have been nerfed and are very reliable for farming as you can land mine then cast remote detonate to kill an entire creep wave. Once you have your scepter one remote will kill an entire creep wave. Combine this with boots of travel and you will become the fastest farming hero in the game. Period.

Crix has an ok stun but techies stun can be stacked and chained making him a vastly superior hero. Keep in mind techies stuns were even longer in previous patches. As a techies, with no additional items, you could basically perma stun lock someone forever.

Techies does have a very slow attack speed and is very low damage. This is to offset his insanely high damage output from his spells and ability to continually stun an entire team.

In team fights, a techies should be:

at the start, put your statis wards near range as well as a landmine in front,

cast a remote where the action is, use the hotkey to detonate it immediately, this will also clear out trash that might set off a statis ward,

start moving up to drop a forward statis ward where the action is. If you have a force ward, you can force yourself out of the action or into the action. Drop a land mine when the cd is up again where the action is, cast remote then detonate. At this point, everything should be dead, as this alone as done over 2k of damage of aoe from your casts alone in 20 seconds.

As a techies, a lot of the items you build are gonna be helping the team.

As a techies, you have free wards that last longer than regular wards.

As a techies, you can build battle birds from the income you will have. Flying cour + bloodstone + AC + sheivas + Vlads + drums of endurance + pipe if you want or crimson guard

Set your bird to follow you or a carry and just watch the bloodshed.

Birds are extremely hard to kill, with high armor, and 100% spell immunity, any attack is reduced by about 75 percent.

There are very few heroes that can beat a techies. Sniper is the best counter to techies as they can safely kill bombs with their range. Even if you force staff a sniper, if they are at max range you will not be able to kill them generally with your bombs. Pudge and AM are also extremely annoying as techies. Silencer prevents you from basically doing anything with his ult as your rely pretty much on your bombs and statis wards.

People also think that certain heroes are good against techies, but in reality are just under garbage against him.

Furion - You pick a furion vs techies, you deserve to lose. Treants may seem like a good idea, but this only lasts till about lvl 6. After this techies can easily out push and out farm you. Also do you really want to waste time sending treants all over the map when you should be focusing on other things.

Phantom Lancer - A landmine and remote will clear out all images and nearly kill a PL. Seriously 1 land mine, and 1 remote, thats like 2 seconds.

Zeus - While you think it is a good idea to check for mines with thunder, you do not have the range to even attack a mine without being killed... The explosive damage range on all mines is greater than zeus' attack range. This makes you useless against techies.

Like lets even look at zeus' ult. Long cool down, but techies can cast his every 10 seconds. Thats a HUGE difference in damage output.

Meepo - More targets = more deaths. Also meepo lacks bkb.


I just think people dont understand techies so they dont know how to play him or against him very well.

[EdgeOfChaos]

I mean... Crixalis and Techies are completely different heroes with different roles and can't be compared like that.

Techies is fine when used by a good player, as all heroes are. Definitely not top tier and definitely not OP. The counter to him is to not walk into his traps. Gem or wards helps with this. Only reason he feels OP in pubs is because 99% of people in random apem games don't bother to buy detection because they are either lazy or don't know how to play.

Arc Warden and Sniper deal with techies pretty well lategame. PL and furion are early-game counters.

Also IMO crixalis is a bit underpowered right now, and has the worst orb effect in the game. So I wouldn't compare anything to him.

[Dhamma]

Crix can be very good support vs a meepo though

It's true that his orb isn't great. But he's not a hero you'd get one anyway, like you wouldn't get one on ES. So it's better than nothing. Actually back in the day I would max it early and farm radi so fast with it lol.

[tinkertonker]

I mean... Crixalis and Techies are completely different heroes with different roles and can't be compared like that.

Techies is fine when used by a good player, as all heroes are. Definitely not top tier and definitely not OP. The counter to him is to not walk into his traps. Gem or wards helps with this. Only reason he feels OP in pubs is because 99% of people in random apem games don't bother to buy detection because they are either lazy or don't know how to play.

The problem is they changed the way statis wards work. As in anything that is within the stun radius can set it off pretty much. Which is good and bad. Bad if you have trash mobs coming to set it off, but if you clear them out it is good, or you can use the trash mobs to set it off deliberately. It is impossible to avoid a techies stun unless you walk a long way around it.

Previously, a hero had to physically walk into the stun trap pretty much for it to go off. That is no longer the case. Getting detection only works if, you have a proper range hero and the techies does not get a force staff or carry tps.

The best thing to do is get bkb vs techies or get a hero like juggs. Remotes do not hurt juggs while he is spinning so he can just go past them easily. The only hero that can safely kill mines will need to have more than 1000 attack range or use bkb and kill mines.

[Letbell]

Recently there are players going around picking TA and abuse the desync against meepo players, and it's kinda annoying.

I'm not sure how ENT will response to the abuse, but so far it was suggested to restart the client every game to avoid this.

[xSAINTx1]

Who cares about meepo when there's cancer player's like Letbell and Shanochi who spam tinker and bara (support buys obs and orb of venom), and dual lane mid every game, playing like professionals in 700 average pub dota 1 games, to give Shanochi a 10 kda, when in reality, this is a average player at best. And u QQ over a few disconnected games when someone picks TA when they know ur stupid strategy. Better to just dodge said games, when all u losers do is cheese players who trying to enjoy some dotes. Even worse, go back to picking lesh and wisp to get rampage at 10 minutes. Mark of true pros omegalel

[Sylvanas]

Who cares about meepo when there's cancer player's like Letbell and Shanochi who spam tinker and bara (support buys obs and orb of venom), and dual lane mid every game, playing like professionals in 700 average pub dota 1 games, to give Shanochi a 10 kda, when in reality, this is a average player at best. And u QQ over a few disconnected games when someone picks TA when they know ur stupid strategy. Better to just dodge said games, when all u losers do is cheese players who trying to enjoy some dotes. Even worse, go back to picking lesh and wisp to get rampage at 10 minutes. Mark of true pros omegalel

Holy shit, do you feel better now?

[BeerLord]

dude needs to smoke a blunt

[Letbell]

He probably feel a lot better now.
I think he dislike of how other people like to queue up & play together.

[Dhamma]

He must really dislike himself than, the way he's always playing with KIX and his other FBG bffs.

No wonder he's always so angry, too much self hate.

[EdgeOfChaos]

^^^ That

Is Saint truly complaining about teamers and stackers boosting noobs to high ELO? That is like the definition of irony, seeing as he was around 1400-1500 himself before he started that shit.

[Letbell]

Wait till @xSAINTx1 try playing dota games on iccup servers; stacking or teaming up means nothing over there. xD

Shano and I got rekt so many times in iccup servers, and believe me...those 2,500 - 4,000 scores players are not even average players

It's all about position, timing, punishing mistakes, and communicate with your teams.