ff abuse ban appeal

[jamil]

Forfeting because you burn 1 heal at best isn't a legit reason. The game wasn't over and it wasn't your choice to dictate whether or not the game ends. Clearly, some of your team felt differently on the matter and hence why you were reported.

Merex, i just watch the replay. king goes - 3 then when other team leave king gets boosted and just about holds. it was 100% -4 at best. not -1. we have no wood to up king, we have no reg and no att. hermits and wyverns destroying king fast. as team have no wood we cannot up at all.

Merex, i am dissappointed at your knowledge of the game here. watch replay till the end and pls understand. As a member of admin and a judge to conclude brq and ban appeals, you need tou understand this a bit more. Sorry if you think this is a personal dig at you, but it is not. its just simple facts....i know what i am talking about here.

King definately goes -4 here

You mention i dictate, yet red and purple are good stats and ff. so 'some of your team' meaning just blue, the guy that does the brq and is simply 800 elo doesnt understand the game. I did not dictate anything here at all.

Listen, IDC too much about the ban, this is now principal. The simple fact is I am right in this situation. I asked team not to send 7 and dont burn heals for no reason. Due to using all wood on send means we have no wood to up king and the entire team is low push so cannot save king here. Purple agrees not to send but the send was forced. 50% of team do not want to send. None of the team have good push to up king.

Evidence is in replay, watch till the end. King goes - 3 very fast and would die but the king goes up to 15 att and 10 hp due to ff.

King may have died here...ofc we ff. Note, none of us hold lvl 8 at all. would be 50+ leaks to king on 8 with no send. We die on 8 regardless.

[Merex]

Except that you didn't ask at all..?
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 660200.w3g
Feel free to have a glance yourself, but I see no opposition to 7. In-fact, I believe it was you who shifted the call from king-11 to 7 after a blunt "no" from red. Am I correct or incorrect in this instance?

Don't come in here and try to argue with me please. If you're here to flutter your pride of extensive game knowledge, you may take this to the LTD subforum and talk amongst players but we're here to discuss your appeal towards a ban. If that's not your goal mind, do let me know and this will be processed.

Dictate is the term I'd use when someone starts the !ff command and follows with some aggressive chats of wrong calls/burning heals, wouldn't you? It's only logical to say that someone would follow due to the leaks. Rather than try to play out, you cut your losses and decided the best team direction, wasn't to remain in the game. Of course, everyone's entitled to their own opinion on this factor but given others followed this !ff of yours, it's only sensible.

Again, this argument is going to burn out as there's no room for me managing the tasks that I do to keep coming back here and try to argue command abuse =/= game knowledge.

[jamil]

Again, forfeiting because of one mere call on sending is not valid and bare well in mind you were reported for it. You play until the game is finished, or unless a clear loss (in this case; a guaranteed death to the king).

You're a mega player, so you should know immo 7 is easily held. Even with an AI king, it took upwards of 2-3 minutes for it to die. Despite the low wood, a couple of points in hp and a proper king control would've kept you from dying. That's called playing the game. But instead, you decided to forfeit with your team because you didn't "like" sending 7. To even further this case, you didn't even seem to have an issue with it, either -
(08:51 / Allied) DjamDjamDjam: we need leaks push and bos 7 then

The point behind the ban, jamil, is that the forfeit command isn't meant to be taken lightly just like any other commands we have on our bots. You should know this being a regular player/poster to our forums.

MEREX - stop quoting rubbish. 'it took upwards of 2-3 minutes for it to die'
creeps hit king at 13.00, king is -3 13.30.

IT TOOK 30 SECONDS to go -3

man....I want another admin to look at this please because you clearly do not know what you are talking about here. Even if we go -4 and live, we die on lvl 8....we have NO WOOD. purple and i leak full lvl 8, blue definately does NOT hold 8. red may have a chance. we would need 18 attack to live lvl 8 regardless.

MEREX - GIVE UP THIS ARGUMENT - YOU ARE 100% WRONG

pls I ask another admin to look at this out of principal

[jamil]

you are wrong again, i said we would need full push and leak to go 7, this didnt happen. clearly see the sends, i said why are we sending. it got forced. Do you know what a forced send is?

purple and I send just before 7 starts because red and blue already full send. Game needed to be ff. If i did not send with team at this point it is further tk. Simply our team was split in 2. red and blue did their own thing. the FF is legit

[Merex]

Going to remind you jamil, that coming in here guns blazing isn't the right approach. If it's argumentation you seek, then you are in the wrong place.

Already spoken with another staff member, they will look into this soon.

[Kappa]

@jamil @Merex

Reviewed the game.

I think the ban is valid considering the rule:

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To !ff the game must evidently be lost.

King survived leak and this game wasn't completely over yet. It's clear to me you were just pissed at your team for their play and wanted to give up considering how early you voted - being so toxic made the rest of your team want to !ff as well imo.

However, this isn't as cut and dry as most other !ff's abuses and I see your point of view. The game would have been hard from this point, but I do think this was a valid ban given our rules. Now I will give you one more chance to admit that this !ff probably was too early and you should've tried to play it out for longer instead of giving up and flaming instead. Will you change your actions in future games?

I'm growing tired of your argumentative behavior here.

[jamil]

i dont deny the ff was early. However, i was not toxic in ths game at all. it was a split team, a player ghosted me on lvl 1 then ignored. bad calls and forced sends. I was not toxic at all towards anyone apart from calling blue a fucking idiot after he ghosted. I did not flame once.

I will be argumentative when i receive unjust comments from merex. OFC I will defend my knowledge of the game and false quotes like '-1 at best', 2-3 mins upwards for king to die... etc etc

Now, as per your professional approach and your answer, i am satisfied.

You have written two sentences and already i feel I am understood. I also understand my ff was early. I do understand FF abuse, in fact I understand the rules in thorough depth as I have been posting here for the last 5 years.

Thank you for your comments. I will point out very clearly that the difference between you and merex is huge. You have not triggered me in anyway and I would prefer you deal with my brq in future.

[Kappa]

@jamil

All I am asking is that in the future you continue to play out games further and only !ff when it is a guaranteed loss. Not a likely loss in a few rounds.

Can you do that for me?

[jamil]

yes this is fine, if blue didnt ignore, maybe we could have psoken about just ff as a team.

I agree with you. I dont like to give up ..

your point is noted. I will not ff unless team discuss and game is 100% lost

[Kappa]

Conflict resolved.

I will unban you now.