Unban asap

[ludacris]

Your Warcraft III username: DarkKnight
Realm/Gateway: wc3connect
Why are you banned: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=140365

Why you should be unbanned: i should be unbanned asap, because i didng "juggle". I am very WELL aware of what the rule says, and how are reports being handled. If you ban me for what i did, literally everyone here should be banned. And i will report.

Also i want to emphasize on the admin who handle my request "also its funny, that admin says if i had wave it wont be juggle, but since i have immo its juggle do we have different definitions for juggle depending on king skill that i`m not aware of ?" What is this absurd ?!?!?! he said in game its ok if stomp/wave/tm , later changed it to just wave/tm but not ok with immo. Everyone knows he just wanted to discrimiate me `1 more time and he did. I want instant unban, i didnt juggle, i diddnt do anything wrong. Else you have to ban literally almost every single one, if you want to at least pretend to being fair.

[legiontdgrrr]

@ludacris you still dont get it right? its was lvl 5 and lvl 8 you had immolation , and you switch targets on creeps ,when there are alraady 1 hit, so when you change the targets and not kill then (you have immo and not st or wave) you break this rule

Do not change the king's target to delay killing, except to efficiently kill multiple targets or kill higher priority targets such as sent units or low hp units. Range stomping and backward waving is allowed.

so tell me how with immolation you woud efficiently kill multiple targets?
idk how else i can exp this really , anyway another admin will take this appeal

[ludacris]

is Hutzu still admin? i see posts from him that acknowledge changing targets can result in cutting attack time as it was in this case. if he is not around, ill send you links to posts im referring too, and any admin with decent problem solving skillz and non-discriminatory behaviour should be able to get the point.

also if im not mistaken, this way of enforcing the rule (i.e. allowing switch targets as long as dont prevent king to hit is not juggle) was introduced thanks to kiwi. if you want to take stricter stance on this you should lut announcement or whatever, and not banning mw out of the blue also especially since everyone does it. i dont minsd to stop doing it, as long as this apply to everyone and not juat me, and not being bann out of the blue for something EVERYONE does as its completely unfair !

[legiontdgrrr]

@ludacris its not about you stop doing it man , its banable and we told ya 100 times in the game and @Hoebell told ya that on last game before the game you got banned

[ludacris]

also let me explain to you basic math:

if 1 creep iz 1 hit, and another is 2 hit, it will take a total of 3 hits to kill both creeps no matter in what sequence

like 1+2 = 3
2+1 = 3
1+1+1 = 3
1+1+1 = 3
1+1+1 = 3

and i didnt prevent any king attack. if i let king on auto, or if i shift attack on the most distant unitz i would gain time (and completely legimitaly based on previous simillar cases) but i just switched few targets with no juggling.thiz was just demonstration to you can share your feedback, not to ban me.

if you say this will be banned in future anf unbam me asap i wont do it again and i'd be ok evwn if you dont apologize.

if you acknowledge your miatake (as based on previoua handling and what EVERYONE does) also fine for me.

banning me out of the blue, and making me report everyone literally ( and i will cuz i dont like double standards) iz not fine.

just agree between admins whats juggle and what not and put an announcement or whatever. this was request pure out of spite ( as i normally get blamed wrongly of doing such) and you proceeded without applying critical thinking or discussing with admins here before you that have applied a certain standard in enforcing this rule.

[legiontdgrrr]

i am done with you really

[ludacris]

i was not aware hoebell is admin to interpret what rulez are. also another player in game agreed with me, and literally everyone does it. depending on how this is resolved i will request multiple requests on what i find just in my game history and starting with hoebell himself.
and dont call my requests out of spite - i just want equallity for all


i was discussing with you this before you ignored me. if you wanted to stamp that as juggle ( which it is not) thiz shluld have been warning.

what i did is not preventing attacks, just took more dmg from creepz in that way (but didnt cost heal so its nog TK either). if you want to brand it as juggle state your intentions but dont make me sacrificial lamb out of the blue cuz its neither right nor fair.

[ludacris]

no, i am done with you. i dont like unfair people at all.

[Kappa]

Another moderator will give a 2nd review of this.

Locked until then.

[bratmi]

Sorry for creating a new thread, but I saw this one, which is locked and I want to add information which I think is relevant:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=140371

A player was banned for changing targets which didn't result in taking more hits to kill creeps. I once reported a player who changed targets while killing HERMITS, which did result in king taking more hits to kill creeps. And we barely lost a heal the exact next wave
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=126456&p=490586&hilit=bratmi#p490586

Some quotes there:
"In this case, he didn't juggle but simply changed targets. We can't ban someone for changing attack targets if the king is actually attacking and killing leaks. "
After I was told multiple times that I have no idea what king juggling is I explained on discord the consequences of switching targets on hermits and then the answer was that he did in fact delay, but that we cant start banning players who break the rule, but only for 1 second:
"At most, it wasted one second. Are we really going to start banning players for burning one second off the game?"

I don't like the double standarts. Is there some change to how this rule break is handled that I am not familiar with?

[Kappa]

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 677569.w3g
Wave 5: Changes targets to delay the killing of units.

Wave 8: Changes targets to delay the killing of units.

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 677532.w3g
Looks like this game wasn't considered in ban but was mentioned in brq with timestamp...

Upon my review, the ban is valid. For some reason, people think king juggling only involves stopping the king attacks per this rule:

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Do not juggle the king preventing him from attacking or killing units.

However, there is a second juggling rules that goes as follows which you are in violation of breaking:

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Do not change the king's target to delay killing, except to efficiently kill multiple targets or kill higher priority targets such as sent units or low hp units. Range stomping and backward waving is allowed.

You clearly don't understand this part of the rule (Wave 5):

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(10:20 / All) DarkKnight: this is not juggling
(10:36 / All) DarkKnight: DO YOU KNOW WHATS JUGGLE RETASRD
(10:40 / All) DarkKnight: ITS PREVENTING ATTACK

Here you are juggling with range creeps and immolation so no argument here about killing them faster (Wave 8):

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(17:23 / All) DarkKnight: see now what i did
(17:25 / All) DarkKnight: OK?
(17:37 / All) DarkKnight: thjis juggle ?

Ban is valid and you should read the rules more carefully.

[ludacris]

why you continue to mention the king skill??

the rule should be the same regardless of king skill

also i challenge your assumption of delay, because there wasnt any delay at all. i cut the animation i actually made it faster than normal

also, if this ban is valid. you should ban many more people.

[ludacris]

starting from the one in the related topic of bratmi just posted.

[ludacris]

if this is the way you want to go forward fine, but at the same time unban me as i have been following established standards such as here :

(me cutting anination resulted in faster killing not slower !)


FalenGaOversight Staff

Re: [LTD] Karmabiatch, 2nd repost

PostTue Apr 03, 2018 12:43 am

He did change the target in the end between those hermits/coms, but by doing so, he clearly cut the animation ( not stopped, there is a difference ) which resulted into faster killing, and no delaying.

And, for obvious reasons, killing faster is not bannable. 

Processing.

[ludacris]

or you can move my topic directly in the discrimination section, accept it and make it visible to all and ill add all other requests whwn switching targets was denied. i think im first one for being banned for that (or first admin) anyway there is clear inconsistwncy here in handling requests and i have a lot more examples