[DOTA] [Sinju@entconnect] !ff grief

[xSAINTx1]

Replay Link: https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/11773330/
Game Name: [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #14
Your Warcraft III Username: pugnasostrong
Violator's Warcraft III Username: sinju, buttflapper, tusanik, and doubledee
Violated Rule(s): ff grief, convincing team to give up before game was even close to being finished...
Time of Violation (in-game or replay):
(14:51 / Allied) Sinju: !FF
(26:31 / Allied) Tusanik: !ff
(26:39 / Allied) Sinju: !FF
(26:55 / All) Doubledee: lets all ff
(31:49 / Allied) Sinju: !FF
(32:31 / Allied) Sinju: !FF
(32:45 / Allied) Sinju: slark is rigged hero
(32:47 / Allied) Sinju: just ff
(33:20 / Allied) Tusanik: !ff
(33:25 / Allied) Sinju: !FF
(33:26 / Allied) Sinju: tiny ff
(33:27 / Allied) Sinju: its over
(33:53 / Allied) Sinju: !FF
(33:57 / Allied) Sinju: wp tiny
(33:58 / Allied) Sinju: slark op
(33:59 / Allied) Sinju: !FF it
(34:42 / Allied) Sinju: tiny ?
(35:14 / Allied) Sinju: Tiny can you ff it? waste of time
(35:19 / Allied) ButtFlapper: !FF

Any further thoughts: Game wasn't even close to being over. We had a spec, tiny and ember spirit, and they hadn't taken a single lane of rax, only a t3 tower. This motherfucker convinced our team to ff, when i might have been able to win it. Plz ban this toxic motherfucker, for ffing everytime he doesnt have his way. So sick of him joining games and ruining. From minute 1, watch mid lane, he just sits afk auto attacking creeps, making it impossible for me to farm, and then uses 1 spell when i go on sf. After, he sits in lane draining xp and then wants to ff every time he dies. Dumb fucking, plz punish him. Claims "best ENT player, but gives up once he dies once to slark".

[Draco]

OP has a vendetta against me because i beat him twice last night. He starts the game by starting drama and and typing !FF at first 2 minutes. Then he ignores team and takes mid. Hes a very angry person and a selfish player. He really should be banned for trolling/harassing players and FF at very start ruining the team's dynamic. I find it sad how he always blames everyone else and rages every game, never taking responsibility. He could have kept it peaceful instead of griefing me from start then rage submitting because he got owned by a smurf slark who was better.

[xSAINTx1]

Who outplayed me? i was 10-1. You were the feeder who did nothing but blink in and use ulti to steal kills. I had more kills, least deaths, many assists (3 less than everyone else, more then you asshole) and most creeps in our team, and you say i played solo? You sat mid for 8 mins leeching xp and auto attacking creeps.

(01:25 / Allied) pugnasostrong: let me mid vs sf
(01:26 / Allied) Sinju: mid

I called mid 1 second before you. You are so entitled you think you deserve mid every game, when half the time you are fucking trash, as you were in this game. You talking big saying you beat me twice night before, on your stacked 1 sided team lmfao, stomping with escanor and his techies. Post replays of you beating me, so everyone can laugh at how bad you are, and how afraid you are to play a fair game. Take the ban, you aren't even arguing with my facts. You broke the rules; i typed !ff at 20 seconds as a joke, since i knew we would fucking lose with u on our team as usual. You have most bans out of any player on all your 5 forum accounts combined. @tyler11 @draco @yamina1

Here is vaylen's latest hard ban where he throws game on purpose, in typical vaylen fashion. Mods plz take into account all the bans on his many accounts. Thanks

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=140252&p=542835&hilit=zamrok#p542835

[Draco]

Facts? Slark was outplaying you and you ignored all teamwork. You lost the game for us. Doubledee also said to FF. We were 40 mins into the game and tired of your selfish playing. The only FF abuse +griefing was at start by you. You started drama with the team. You should be banned if anything you ugly angry person

Again you're just mad because slark was better than you. But your inflated ego has to blame everyone else. You're really such a angry person deep down. This game really is unhealthy for you. Trying to submit the entire team when there already is not enough players. Over something stupid. You wasting your time searching through old stuff shows how much it means to you. Most of those bans were years old from my brother anyway. But it really shows how bitter you are over last night and all the times when you lost to me mid and raged lol

[xSAINTx1]

You really are a man child. Game was less then 32 mins (not 40, so dumb with numbers mr. 2k elo). Why did I fail against slark lmfao? What the fuck were you doing? Aren't you a top 10 player, 2k el0 player? Looks like you and the rest of my dogshit team cost me the game as usual. I'm not bitter, it's just funny how we lost cuz of you, spec and mort, then convinced entire team to ff since it's apparently a waste of time (guy who has played for over 6 years 2013 tyler1 account LMFAO). You are so bad, and it pains me to even half to write this just so mods can honestly and truthfully see how dumb and noob you are. Plz go play on bnet bro, go try out for the inhouse league, I'm sure you'll be the star carry lina ROFL. I'm done arguing. Let the facts and your game ruining history do the talking.

[Draco]

Your life must be so sad.. so much anger and obsessing over me and really no one cares about you. Keep begging mods to ban players for "Ff abuse" when you FF'd at 2 mins and trolled. No wonder you're so bitter and cry on discord about everything that happens to you. Focus on your real life for once

[xSAINTx1]

just LOL

[Merex]

The game went on for 32 minutes with the scourge team having lost all but maybe 1 T2 tower as-well as being 2-3 levels under the opposing. !FF in this case was fine therefor denied.

@xSAINTx1 I'm going to explain to you here why this is getting denied more in-depth since you took the liberty of trying to explain your case to me further via Discord.
*As I said above, your team, besides yourself, was under-level'd, most likely underfed and had relatively negative K/D as-well as losing the majority of team fights.
*The game went on for 32 minutes before it ended by forfeit which in general is fine unless the reasoning is clearly unreasonable/in a troll sense, which it wasn't.
*While I can understand you, the only other player with a decent K/D level, wanted to continue for a potential comeback - It is a team game and the majority of your team felt the game was over due to this opposing slark. That was their wish as the members of your team therefor it is their right. It may not have been what you wanted but I will not ban 4 other players because you simply wanted a chance to beat this slark.
*This case overall doesn't speak FF Abuse. Specifically when 3/4 of your team wanted to forfeit is when they died during a mid-rax push which again happens more frequently in dota than not.

And lastly, I will answer your question from the ENT Discord here so you'll hopefully gain better clarity.

What is the general rule on !ff abuse? It is meant to be used when the game is almost guaranteed over correct?

The general standing on ENT's !FF abuse is that it should not be used unless the game is evidently over. For instance, a team in LTD may not simply !ff because it's "3v4" or because they leak 1 creep level 1. In DotA, you may not simply !ff because the enemy takes the beginning bounty rune, or because a player is in mid that the team doesn't want. Those are examples.

Guaranteed over isn't really a term I'd use here to be honest. We say evidently lost in our ruling because as moderators, we have to judge each !ff case based on how the overall game was going and if the !ff was met with malicious intention rather than simply wanting to admit loss and proceed to the next game. In this case, 32 minutes with majority of team fights lost and heroes more fed/level'd than your own with nearly all towers leading up to rax destroyed - These kind-of !FF's are actually quite common and again I'm aware this is not what you wanted but sometimes teams just don't work out. It's best to move on from it.

And lastly, to both you and @Draco - I don't want to see this type of drama happen again in my ban request section. If I do, you both will receive forum bans. Take this as a formal warning. Keep your conflict strictly in-game or better yet, simply avoid each-other.