Maphack in Legion

[BeepBoopBeep]

Beep don't get me wrong, I thought using fcd ingame was not allowed, even when you are spectating ?

It's disallowed in dota, not legion.

[HateLose]

Back from my vacation and I still see Furbolg accusing Beep of MH. Plz provide evidence OR tell us who said he is i.p dodging. Beep answered most of your questions, yet you still fail to answer his ONE question of who "his close friend" said he i.p dodges. Until that happens, STOP accusing Beep of MH. Why do you guys only accuse Beep of MH when there might be other players that MH? Is it because he's #1? And YES.....you can win plenty of games constantly in LIHL. LIHL doesn't consist of all pros as some of you say. There are some players that are still learning the aspect and game play of LIHL. Example...I've played 3 games I remember specifically where Ricky told me it was impossible for me to win with my team vs the other team. What happened? I won all 3 games.....OH SHIT I MUST MH . Honestly if a team has a good leader and good team play, you can win vs the best players.

Now back on topic....it would be AWESOME if we can implement something like what Agreements said. I hope it's possible so we can all stop the accusations of players Map Hacking.

P.S. I'll be playing LIHL more often now, since I'm back from my Vacation.

[dweiler]

Cool, welcome back Hatelose

Yeah, I think a maphack detector is really necessary. I have paid extra attention to the mh possibility in games the last week and seen things that I cannot justify anymore rationally as a mod.

First example: I played a game in which me and my ally had doomsdays and hades at lvl 20. What is only logical level to send if you know this? Lvl 27 of course. The enemies also wanted to send 27 and were both very clear about it that they would, but suddenly at lvl 25 one of the players wanted to send 28. Seriously, if u have hades and doomies vs u go send 28??? Totally illogical move?

No, because after lvl 20 my partner and me both switched t6, he went to make wardens and I did some hydras and bigfoots (or bigfeet ). This was impossible to know because we didn't leak. The player who switched his opinion was a pretty high ELO, so it seems to me that if he makes such 'illogical' calls more often he would be a low ELO instead of a high ELO because that will often fail. Except of course if.... et cetera.

Second example: I played 4 games vs the same player in 2v2. In not 1 game did he send warriors, because we were strong vs it, but exactly on the one game we were weak vs 1 he sent warriors. Also, his ally just proposed to send lvl 3 because they both could send strong then, but still he wanted warriors.

Last example: I played a 2v2 and we leaked at lvl 3, showing a captain. The units that were invisible were mortars/heavy. Enemy saved until lvl 8. Totally illogical if you only saw captain, because an upped captain owns lvl 8, but totally logical if you saw the rest of the units.

I know those games are no proofs, and that is why I don't name the names belonging to those players, but for me it is impossible to say our league is fine without a maphack detector and be honest about it. It is for me hard to justify punishing innocent things such as a player afk'ing after signing, while I know it is very likely some players are cheating this game in a really unfair way and are not only not punished for it, but even rewarded because they have way higher ELO than they should have.

[Furbolg.]

Your post brings no value HateLose. You are a friend of bbb and have played a lot of games with him. Bbb is a nice guy. Talks nice to everyone, not flaming ppl etc. Id never expect you or any other of bbb's friends/fanboys to take a sec and look at his case objectively

[Furbolg.]

I understand you 100% dweller. With the current security in legion td there is no stopping cheaters.

That lvl 27 -> 28 send doesnt make sense. But end of the day theres always a way to justify any send

So until security gets up Id recommend ppl to quit the league or dont sign when you see these players who "think like beepboop"

[HateLose]

Thanks Mickey! Btw....I have more respect for you . After you became a mod, you are truly fair to the LIHL community and you are looking for the best interest of all the players. That is greatly appreciated! I did see the post about Donald......If you can do that to a good friend of yours , I'm scared what you would do to an enemy

Furbolg....you know I have no beef with you and I do like you (you were on my team for the tourney). I do consider you a friend in gaming, but you have to understand I will defend any of my gaming friends, until there is proof of what they did wrong. I understand it is almost damn near impossible to prove MH, but I'm just sick of people accusing Beep of it. Even Gouus was accused of MH a few months ago, and I fought for him as well, even though almost everyone was against him and said he MH (btw....it was proved he didn't MH). Tbh if someone accused you of MH, I would defend you as much as I defended any of my gaming friends. I just want to stop all the accusations towards him, because I feel he is the only person that is gettin smashed on about it.

I really wish we can do something to prevent MH so we can all play in peace, the way gaming was intended to play. We need to be fierce when playing vs each other, but when the game is done, we can all just kick back, relax, chat, laugh and get along. No Hate.....in the end......ITS A GAME NOT OUR LIFE!

[Diablo_]

Your 3 examples really sound suspicious Mick (not like the random hating from Furb against Beep ^^). I'm not sure if holding the names back is the right choice ... since if we knew who you are talking about we could start paying attention if they are in a game or even invastigate more replays (looking to Furb). Of course I wouldn't call them guilty immediately and no one else should do so, but raising awareness could be helpful.

Other than that, a secure anti MH solution would be really nice. Sadly as of now it is only an idea and no one has any clue how to do this ^^

[Furbolg.]

Same to you HateLose, we are cool. It wasnt an insult, I expect anyone who is a friend of person X to defend and deny any alligations made by person Y

@diablo_ Random hating.. Well. I mentioned beepboop here on the forum as the best player in legion td not long ago. I said he was "2-3% better than everyone else". Never had any problem with him and we were always friendly

I didnt start the stir. Once I heard ppl talking about it I started paying attention to juicing/sending and for a long time I didnt say anything. Ive got a lot of pm's from other lihl players who agree with me, but Im the only one talking about it in public.

People are ofc innocent until proven guilty. And since its not possible to gather evidence in legiontd; bbb is not guilty

[LoneWolf187]

I said it before and I'll say it again, Beep just pays attention to ALL of the little details. He takes advantage of all of his opportunities. He gathers all the information he can and decides what is the best thing for the team. I don't think he cheats and I think its possible that someone can be at his level of play.

[Furbolg.]

Another of bbbs friends joining the thread. Welcome

He gathers all the information he can

[Furbolg.]

I said it before and I'll say it again, Beep just pays attention to ALL of the little details. He takes advantage of all of his opportunities. He gathers all the information he can and decides what is the best thing for the team. I don't think he cheats and I think its possible that someone can be at his level of play.

Im happy we agree. Pretty much this entire description is advantages a mh'er would have.

And there is no mh protect in legion

[supersexyy]

We can stop the accusations now. It is pointless without some replays/suspicious activity.

[LoneWolf187]

I'm not gonna argue about it. I just expressed my opinion.

[Furbolg.]

Yeah no point debating this.

There are loads of suspecious play. I can only acces his most recent games which are played after raizen did the first post

If admins wanna dig deeper they can go look at his games 1 month + ago or even the recent ones and catch it. I dont care anymore. I dont play vs him. But when people ask me my opinion in pub games or when one of his acolytes bump this thread I answer

[Furbolg.]

I'm not gonna argue about it. I just expressed my opinion.

Which could or could not be biased by the fact that ur his friend/smurf/tournament teammate. No offence towards you, just stating.