Intentional TK play

[Kreutertee]

Well, I actually didn't think I'd write another forum post. But what I just saw tilts me to a level which is inacceptable. And I'm only obs currently.

A few days ago, sude put down 2 ghouls first roll, then reroll into malf specter, but he kept his ghouls. 300 value 1/0 in 1. We suggested for him to go 2/0 and play malfs, but he just answered "i love ghouls".

We already discussed ingame (idk the exact game currently, but I think at least @Krocis was there to confirm?!). But whatever, we let it go.

But I just saw this, which is confirmed 100% intentional TK. He willingly throws away the game. Same situation, 2 ghouls first roll, RR into LOD, captain, lock. And he keeps 300 value 1/0 ghouls in level. He willingly gives away ez 10 and 15 mid.

The game ended now in level 7, his team lost.
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=11802385

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This is inacceptable behaviour and should result in serious punishment.

EDIT: Found the other game alrdy.
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=11801773
And I understand the "freedom" to build w/e you see fit, and in the first game I might wanna let it slip, cause the difference is not as massive as in the one above. But if you add those two games up, they tell a story of "i tk for fun, cause ghouls are funny". Ignorant, intentional TK, which we all wanted to dodge by joining LIHL. If that's the standard, we really should shut down LIHL immediatly alongside with public ENT.

[Krocis]

ya i was in dat game when he 2 ghouls but lucky eat warris dat game

[7years]

he even insist on this build after we tell him to switch to lod start. this decision maybe single handedly cost us game @ lvl 4. but even apart from that, there is absolutely 0 upside to this start compared to lod, especially when we obviously weak on 10 and he had pro adds for lod.

[Anda]

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=11802458


same story. i appreciate input what units ghul is stronger then ( for me its pure tk in all 3 games, but im not a good builder myself, for me its only usefull wave 1-3 and 6)

[FadingSuns]

idc if u post crying whatever, just stop trowing shit like "if things are like this plz cut lihl", noone forces you to play, just do a fken standar report.

THANKS

[epicdeath]

Imo ghoul is useful in 3 ways:

1. ghoul yolo, Its quite a bad yolo and I would only play it when the rest of my rolls are shit (300 value ghoul on 1 is nearly always full tk unless warri cover is desperately needed since 150 ghoul holds 1 for fast push and 210 lets you play safer on 2/3)

2. Ghoul added to big unit (sg/ygg ect) Sub-par add but its decent on 3 if the rest of the roll is bad

3. (imo the only good way to use ghoul) As a starting unit to use with another weaker yolo e.g. veteran, guard, pandaren, rev, sentry, sprite ect. Ghoul with veteran is one of my personal fav yolos. It builds the same value as standard veteran but lets you hold 6 with 600 value where 600 vet leaks.

My personal opinion on the topic is that starting ghoul with a unit like LOD in the roll is below standard for a lihl game. I think a short unvouch as a warning followed with a skill based unvouch should this continue as a pattern would be reasonable.

[FadingSuns]

u messing things, it not low skill issue but personal choice issue, sude knows perfectly what he is doing when he choose ghoul over lod.

Entering these kind of issues can be problematic since it can turn subjetive...

I also think its not optimal but THERE IS NOT RULE BROKEN, just keep that in mind

If we ban here... will i be able to report kreutertee for example when he decides to start lod over ea?

[MrStrawberry]

Im with ace in this case.

There are so many people who try some tk start, and tk units, even tho they have other reliable units in their roll.

It is annoying, yes, but its not only sude who does it, so, if sude gets banned, then generalize it, and make it same for everyone.

Also, kreut, u are the one who does it most rly, so this is ridiculous ban req. U just tryhard since u are close to wining this season. If sude gets warning, then evereyone should get it.

[7years]

it doesn't make this poor starting choice any better that others maybe also tk from time to time. there is a standard for skill and teamplay that lihl players should consistently meet, and if they don't, it's everyone's right to report it.

and ace is right: sude knows for sure that lod is better than 2 ghoul - which is exactly why this was reported as intentional tk and not just as a "poor skill" report.

idk if this justifies a ban already, but it's such an obvious missplay that it sure af shows at minimum bad teamplay and maybe even intentional tk.

[BoretkPanda]

u messing things, it not low skill issue but personal choice issue, sude knows perfectly what he is doing when he choose ghoul over lod.

Entering these kind of issues can be problematic since it can turn subjetive...

I also think its not optimal but THERE IS NOT RULE BROKEN, just keep that in mind

If we ban here... will i be able to report kreutertee for example when he decides to start lod over ea?

Its pretty legit to start lod over ea, lol
How can u compare this with 300 ghoul over lod etc

[point]

there is huge difference between skill issues and "for fun mode"
everyone knows sude as great player, but it seems he is simply bored of standart playing and wanna bring some gamble into his play
imo if you wanna try something - go ent18\31, either way be ready for punishment

[sude]

there are many cases where ghoul is better than lod
level 1 they both hold warrs
level 2 is where ghoul beats lod since a ghoul fed from lvl 1 1-hit on 2 even with furb and holds sends easily whereas lod doesnt
in the game where i chose ghoul over lod i added mudman for 3
and lod + mud does about as well as 2 fed ghouls + mud on level 3 with lod + mudman being better on 4
on level 5 fed ghouls 2 shot birds with capt aura and i was able to hold 5 with 600 val that game
on level 6 ghoul is way better than lod and i was able to hold 6 with 600 val

so in conclusion ghoul is pretty fucking good

btw ghouls + capt + tot holds 5 easy with 540 val and only needs ~50 extra for 6!
thats better than aqua since aquas will need extra farm

[BoretkPanda]

I assume there ist a reason u dont mention any lvl after 6

[sude]

panda if u dont see the point im trying to make then ur just a bad player

[7years]

ghoul can be good yolo with slightly faster push than lod, as you describe (maybe a whisp more on 5 or 6). i also agree that it's really not that shit of a unit as some say here and in general a little bit underestimated. but still those small advantages never outweigh the downsides compared to lod imo: harder to efficiently hold 8, much harder to go mid 10 (especially important when rest of team sucks 10), more dead value after 10.