To prove I am not insane

[plzbanruiners]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control

Focus on yourself and improving your individual skill. You're too far behind in skill/knowledge to be worrying about macro level thinking and trying to pinpoint why or who lost you the game, that's reserved for players who are already really good mechanically and have a deep understanding of game macro. Your aim each game should be to get better at fundamentals of dota. Avoid being so result driven and trying to justify each loss, instead compare stuff like your last hits/denies at 10 minutes from game to game. Start buying your own observer wards and count how many times you survive a gank because of the location u placed it. Start taking a mental note of each tp scroll and what it gave you for each use. Did you get some farm? Did your tp scroll being on cd punish you? Was tping for farm make it unable for you to counter gank? Start thinking about dota in this manner and your skill/enjoyment of the game will increase. If you only focus on external factors you'll never be satisfied and your enjoyment of the game will also take a dive. We all want to win it but it shouldn't be your primary goal at your current level in dota. Replay review can also help. If able start watching replays of people who play the same heroes as you do and try to predict their next move every 30 seconds. Then ask yourself why did they do what they did instead of what you predicted. These are all tips which will make you better at dota, complaining about others in forums however will not. If your goal is to seek some validation about your unfortunate circumstances then carry on as you were.

[EdteOfChaos2]

Well that's some actual good advice from dead. But to comment on these:

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195521

Looks like you supported a good specter, seems deserved win.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195501

You did badly, deserved loss

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195459

You contributed, deserved win. Euls first is a fine choice against silencer since it frees from global here.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195448

You tanked well, deserved win.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195423

You were best, deserved win.

Good job, you contributed enough to the win in those games. Now you need to accept that you also contribute to losses in games where you lose.

[Jazzy3113]

Some more recent games to show my perspective.

Now, since this thread I have decided to stop continuing the same builds and take people's advice on trying to only focus on my gameplay and not give up when the inevitable ruiner ruins my game.

Remember, my three theories are: (i) good players purposely choose silly heroes when on my team, (ii) ruiners always play way below their possible skill level and (iii) ruiners rarely ruin against me.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195941
Last game I played.
This is a typical game for me, where I only get one other normal teammate, so I delude myself into thinking I have a chance.
There were no good players in this game so theory one does not apply. But on my team, easty was 3-11-3 as the world's most useless techies and trader was in rare form was an 0-11 kotl. My the nail in the coffin was vostok the turn going 13-7-18 as a completely competent bh. Im unsure if he has ever had a positive kdr when playing with me.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195934
The previous game.
The other team has 4 morons so I get excited. I can't possibly lose right? Nope. A 23-5 meepo singlehandedly wins the game. I never get absolutely carried, sure I get a great player now and then who chooses to play serious, but never a 23-5 superman.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195928
The previous game.
I win because this team had 5 morons and not 4. Still a ruined game but at least I was on the side of fortune for once.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195923
The previous game.
20 elo stacked game. I have jackk so i am already depressed. But I take my new found advice. I don't flame or cry. According to Frank's method of adding kills and assists, I am the most impactful. Keep in mind we win a game where everyone on my team is level 18 or 19, except for the douche known as jackk. He is a LEVEL NINE drow. So again, only I get the ruiner.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195839
The previous game.
Again, typical teammate luck for me. Only one normal teammate. I am lowest elo but as usual am in the top 2 on my team. Trader continues to purposely sabotage me as a 5-19 sniper. Still think its all in my head? I have seen trader singlehandedly win games as LC, but on my team he turns in pegase's long lost brother or something.

While the above are evidence for my theories 2 and 3, where is evidence of theory 1?

Now these next three games definitely prove my theory 1.
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195822
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195821
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195819

These three games contain a smurf player called wakakwk. In the two games against me, he is puck and morph, two powerful heroes. He singlehandedly carries both games. Literally wins the game alone. The game with me? He chooses tinker and doesn't carry sh*t. And as added evidence, Franklin purposely chooses wisp for me in one game to be totally useless.

More evidence than when top tier players get on my team, they may not ruin ON PURPOSE, but I know for a fact they choose weak heroes just to mess with me. Because against me they are forever choosing slark or bara or spec or something. But on my team? Two top players go tinker and wisp and suck it up.

Again, I have accepted their is no ruining on purpose by these top players. They didn't ruin like trader did for me. But rather, they chose joke heroes I guess to practice at my expense. That should be considered a type of ruining.

And if anyone cares, please look at my scores in relation to my team. Unlike other 700 elo tier players, you will never see me going 0-11 and being 7 levels lower than everyone else. How can my kills and deaths and assists all be comparable to 900 elo players, yet im always 700?

In these games I have followed given advice of choosing better items. I do not rush linkens anymore. I ward. I even tp to help the morons. I know it would be ridiculous to have anyone watch all these games, but if you have played with me recently you must have noticed I tp to help now and dont just rush items that help save only me. Yet nothing has changed. The results have not moved one iota.

[EdteOfChaos2]

I like how your idea of a "normal teammate" is "someone who hardcarried the entire game".

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195941

You sucked and lost because of it

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195934

Unfortunate game, you were matched against a very very strong player. I lose to that person too, just plays a good game, not much can be said except that it's an outplay

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195928

Good job, good game

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195923

Looks like a normal teamplay focused game where no single player dominated.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12195839

Looks like you did well, very strong pudge there.

All of the above look like completely normal games of Dota. Nothing is out of the ordinary in any of them and you could swap your name with any other 700-800 and I'd be like "sure, looks legit". Idk why you think these games are out of the ordinary. Here's where you start to be a bit stupid.

You blame a tinker for a loss where he was 6/5 and you fed 8/13. What's wrong with you? This kind of attitude, where you join a good player's team and expect a free ride, is why no one wants to play with you anymore.

And lastly - you lied. Dead didn't pick wisp, he randomed it, because he randoms EVERY SINGLE GAME. If I had a game where dead randomed a pure support, I'd give him a carry worth supporting. Unlike you who fell flat on your face with a 9/18 Jug. And that's with dead supporting you, so most of those 9 kills are really his.

[Jazzy3113]

https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12196493/

Another one for the books!


alleyesonme
3/16/17
Franks Impact Score of 20

firefly
4/9/16
Franks Impact Score of 20

jazzy3113
10/6/9
Franks Impact Score of 19

kazaa
9/9/13
Franks Impact Score of 22

;;wasntme;;
8/17/9
Franks Impact Score of 17

Starting to believe? Keep in mind, im lowest elo as usual on my team and just look at some of these scores.

[Jazzy3113]

EdteOfChaos2, this scum player.

we have someone drop 2 mins and he demands his team not draw. What a total scum bag.

https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12196527/

It would take 5 mins to improve ent.

1. Auto balance
2. New accounts have to play a separate game until they acrue 100 game or new accounts are super low elo, something to punish these losers who keep making new accounts to dodge.
3. If someone leaves 5 mins, game is auto draw and the person is banned for a day.

[RichardCoffee]

EdteOfChaos2, this scum player.

we have someone drop 2 mins and he demands his team not draw. What a total scum bag.

https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12196527/

It would take 5 mins to improve ent.

1. Auto balance
2. New accounts have to play a separate game until they acrue 100 game or new accounts are super low elo, something to punish these losers who keep making new accounts to dodge.
3. If someone leaves 5 mins, game is auto draw and the person is banned for a day.

LMFAOOOOOO

i usually draw, but in this case no. The reason is because your best player plug pulled after I killed trader alone in woods (And after trader afk'd to pick his hero). I'm tired of drawing games for what is likely to be a plug pull. Enough is enough. Calling me scum repeatedly for not drawing because someone literally plug pulled since their team began dying is ridiculous.

Also as lina said your team would NOT have even had the same chance if it continued to be 5v5 without leaver gold. You guys actually won the whole game if you just did a few moves slightly differently in some of the rax fights, imo.

[EdteOfChaos2]

Understandable frustrations, but they've been tried before with various issues.

When autobalance was enabled, it autobalanced on countdown starting. So these toxic noobs would make a 4 or 5 man stack and just leave the game on countdown over and over when they weren't autobalanced to the same team. It sometimes took 25+ minutes for a full game to start. And there weren't enough players to come and fill the slots in when they leave/rejoin. That's why it got disabled eventually. Granted that was random autobalance, can also do autobalance by ELO. But that brings up other potential problems.

Some of the old "top players" had their friends intentionally tank their ELO into the 500-600s for them to gain more rating. Could do the same to always end up on your friends team. Could say "just ban them" but like, Draco never got banned for doing this, and they never got banned for it before, so... and plus it doesn't handle new 1000 elo accounts well.

Back in the day of a lot of players, there were 1200+ lobbies to try to prevent the smurfing. However these lobbies nearly were never played and the player count is even lower now, so fragmenting the playerbase further probably wouldn't work.

As far as auto-drawing goes, it (used to? still does?) draw if two people leave before 5 minutes, but I'd be hesitant to make it 1 player leaves because it's kind of abusable. One team can get owned hard before 5 minutes and force a draw in exchange for a ban.

These definitely aren't bad ideas but there are some serious trade-offs here. Autobalancing might be worth the risks. The stacks are often pretty crazy here.

Fullblownaids does tend to rage a lot and tbh wouldn't be surprised if it was plug pull. Looked like a really close game even so, very unfortunate.

[Jazzy3113]

I didn't say random auto balance, I said have the game rebalance just based on ELO. Totally random auto balancing would not solve the issue, I agree.

Also, there is no need to punish players who want to play with friends.

I am just asking for a third option if possible. We currently have -apem and -arem games. Is it easy to make a third option?

An -apem game where the game will auto balance based on elo at start, if you leave for an reason in the first 10 mins the auto ban is a full day and if you want to draw or kick it only takes 7 votes, meaning only 2 players from the other team have to agree. I feel like these are tiny changes around the edges that could really help the quality of games.

Also, what is the rationale @astros for never updating the map? Is it really hard to update the map? Or is this version of the map considered the most balanced? I was just curious if newer versions of the map fix the meepo and slark issue.

[Astros]

I didn't say random auto balance, I said have the game rebalance just based on ELO. Totally random auto balancing would not solve the issue, I agree.

Also, there is no need to punish players who want to play with friends.

I am just asking for a third option if possible. We currently have -apem and -arem games. Is it easy to make a third option?

An -apem game where the game will auto balance based on elo at start, if you leave for an reason in the first 10 mins the auto ban is a full day and if you want to draw or kick it only takes 7 votes, meaning only 2 players from the other team have to agree. I feel like these are tiny changes around the edges that could really help the quality of games.

Also, what is the rationale @astros for never updating the map? Is it really hard to update the map? Or is this version of the map considered the most balanced? I was just curious if newer versions of the map fix the meepo and slark issue.

Despite ENT having recently have the most amount of active DotA games the past week since I've became a mod again, there's still the issue of not having enough players to implement meaningful changes.

AREM isn't hosted but when it was, it sat empty because most players seemingly prefer APEM. It's tough to convince players who only prefer to play a subset of heroes to start learning new heroes so I don't really see the need to push for it.

As for balancing the games, the onus is on the players. Forcing a game to be balanced has never worked and then you run into an issue where players actively avoid playing with someone so shuffling them to the same team probably creates more chaos.

I don't see anything wrong with the map. Outside of some changes (fixing TA, better courier usage), the map seems fine to me. The remaining players on here are familiar with the current game as it is. Meepo and Slark aren't OP if people actually focused on teamwork and picked heroes that matches the skillset of the team. So it's not an unbalanced hero issue as much as it is a lack of teamplay and hero selection.

[Jazzy3113]

Finally get a game with ifk on my team, so finally get a free win?

Nope.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12196886

barabesthero ruins on purpose. And even if I sumbit him, astros would never ban this ruining pos.

[Jazzy3113]

Just some more evidence to track for myself.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12197001
Only I get the 0-10 ruiner and the other team wont kick obviously.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12197004

This one is frustrating. We are up TWO rax against a typical stacked ifck game. I went support because of the advice in this thread. I tell the team to not solo. I plead with them. Husk and LC ofc start to show off and solo and we lose. Best thing is that I got husk to admit he got arrogant and cost us the game.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12197011

Again, only one ruining player out of 10. Guess which team he is on? In this game, the husk that ruined last game, played normal. We actually came back, but then sk decided to solo and ruin.

And very next game? Sk, who ruined last game, is against me and does not solo once all game. And rover, who can only play techies, takes jugg and totally ruins.
https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12197019/

So my improvement is now showing. Whereas before, I was just invis nerub running around, I have taken advice to pick other heroes. I ward and help and tp to attacked teammates.

If you look through my last several games, I am event the top rated player occasionally.

But yet the ruining continues. I even will switch teams to avoid the ruiner from the previous game, and the next game they are normal.

This cant just be me flaming. Because sometimes im too tired to talk and other times I am ignored. This is people playing normal one game and sucking the next. Totally unrelated. It is due to luck a little bit.

Someone on this thread said to focus on my gameplay and control what I can. I do that. I am consistently (based on score and hero level) in the top 2 of my teams. But how can anyone not be disheartened by always getting the ruiner.

https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12197022/
Very next game, the guy who is was husk all day, goes bara and feeds. Sigh.

Next game, lina, who was a normal lina in the previous game, plays like this.
https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12197032/


Look, I know that no one cares. And everyone gets bad ruiners. But 7 games in a row? The evidence is right there. The single worst player in each game was on my team. AND they didnt ruin in the other 7 games. Its not like i complain right away or something. If they are not ruining, I dont say a word. And I get that maybe its not intentional. So then its just the randomness of luck right?

[EdteOfChaos2]

Sometimes people have bad games. That's not "ruining". Can't necessarily say about the Sky who failed badly. Seems like a bara game where he had no clue what to do about bara.

The husk looks like he's "FullBlownAids" who plays extreme solo rambo every game.

You have gained ~100 ELO since I last checked so it seems like you are playing better. No one wins every game though.

[Jazzy3113]

This is now the next game.

[ENT] DotA apem us/ca #1

Bear in mind, that as usual, I am lowest elo on my team.

Jazzy: 7/4/0

m2bgunner 0/5/3
superballer 0/8/2
kobz 1/6/3
mack1 0/7/1

Please tell me, that someone out there in the internet void, is starting to at least consider I have luck or variance issues with teammates. Please. Its like this every game for me. Why does no on believe even a little?

[EdteOfChaos2]

Your luck is normal, you're hyper-focusing on losses now. For example I notice you didn't post the game where I hard carried with phoenix for you ( https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12196651 ) which is the most recent one I played with you

Anyways that guy "FullblownAIDS" fails with his husk all the time lol, it's not unique to being on your team. In fact checking his main, he just lost to you on it recently.