iceman2.0, racist remarks

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Replay Link: https://entgaming.net/openstats/dota/game/12218487/
Game Name: [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #25
Your Warcraft III Username: kobz
Violator's Warcraft III Username: iceman2.0
Violated Rule(s):
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): 16"
Any further thoughts:

(15:41 / Allied) iceman2.0: bro you really want ot play stupid
(15:41 / Allied) iceman2.0: oj
(15:46 / Allied) kobz: when did you tell me
(15:49 / Allied) kobz: to go top?
(15:58 / Allied) iceman2.0: i swear
(15:59 / Allied) iceman2.0: kobz
(16:02 / Allied) iceman2.0: fucken dumbass paki
(16:03 / Allied) kobz: ?
(16:06 / Allied) kobz: swear?
(16:09 / Allied) iceman2.0: go READ CHAT
(16:11 / Allied) iceman2.0: you stpuid fuck

ENT is no place for racism! I've seen this recently more and more and it's disappointing. Need long ban to prevent this from happening all the time.

[MR_Nimbuss]

and Ent is no place for Trolls who play dumb when team clearly said "PUSH WITH YELLOW" while you stayed mid. I do apologize about the paki but you clearly need to stop trolling with your endless farming and tping to different lanes while your team is getting gank or push.

(13:43 / Allied) iceman2.0: push with
(13:44 / Allied) iceman2.0: yellow
(13:46 / Allied) iceman2.0: only way
(13:49 / Allied) iceman2.0: you gusy suck
(13:52) timetravel$_% killed iceman2.0
(13:59 / Allied) iceman2.0: no point of farming to lose
(14:00 / Allied) iceman2.0: come
(14:02 / Allied) iceman2.0: group up

richardcoffee-All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out. Great statement made!

you pretend to play stupid but i know your whole gig. Theres a chat log you can check for yourself! I know right there you were trolling me. I got your attention and you helped out and we were on the way of coming back but we got caught . Its cool I can careless ban me! But the amount of troll you pull while even saying (15:10 / Allied) kobz: you want to lose blue? admitting that you would throw because youre getting called out for your bs. I can understand if youre new or w/e but this is not your FIRST GAME KOBZ! And stop with the fake clueless "?" I know you clearly said that on purpose to get me to flame you and yeahhhh you got me . On the other hand youre just a terrible xin player but even terrible xin can help your team win.

(14:58 / Allied) iceman2.0: this fucken xin
(15:00 / Allied) kobz: who is pinging?
(15:06 / Allied) iceman2.0: just leave
(15:10 / Allied) kobz: you want to lose blue?
(15:14 / Allied) iceman2.0: u already
(15:17 / Allied) iceman2.0: doing that bud
(15:21 / Allied) iceman2.0: youre refusing to help
(15:23 / Allied) kobz: u doing that

You need to cut the bullshit kobz and stop pretending like youre all pure hearted. You are one of the most annoying player to play with and You choose to play when you want to. So for example if you don't like someone on your side you will ignore request and just do you.. Seen too much and tired of it! Your cluelesss "Idk" replies are getting old bruhh!!

richardcoffee-All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out. ^^^ seems like im not the only one.....

[iambackk]

I absolutely agree with you when you said racism have no place in ent and believe me i'm going to punish hard the real racist players with hard words.

Here, i will just warn him Kobz, because how to exlpain, many times peoples said "stupid french", i am not saying this is allowed but it's clearly not the same than saying N words or some other words you read from some people.

Still, i won't see again words like that @mr_nimbuss i will just warn ban you. (also he apologizes).

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Well the term "Paki" is very similar to the N word on how derogatory it is. It is NOT comparable to "stupid french" at all!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur)

It's used for people of Pakistani origin but now by extension I assume all muslim countries which I guess will include a lot of players here. In fact it's the same as the N word for Muslim countries as I understand. I don't take this personally as if they probably see me eye to eye in real life they would not dare say anything like that to my face. I attribute this kind of behaviour to the level of education and upbringing these people have received in their lives, in their societies and from their families, but nevertheless we need to keep the community safe of them here, if we are here to stay and enjoy playing.

He didn't truly apologise he just wrote a long letter of excuses why he and his friends (The three stooges: Richard coffee, m4k-whatever and himself) are justified to bully people around in games, which they do all the time, but when someone starts to ask them questions they go racist and defend racism:

(Note wopwopwopwop is @mk4r32)

(25:30 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: stfu kobz
(25:33 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: u soft bitch

It's up to you how you deal with this blatant display of racism towards an actual player (Maybe you don't understand the English word well?) but the consequences will surely affect the whole community.

[RichardCoffee]

From your own wiki article you linked (which was broken in your link):

"Americans are generally unfamiliar with the term "Paki" as a slur, and U.S. leaders and public figures have occasionally had to apologise for using the term."

A single remark like this in a heated chatlog isn't really even close to racism. You're just using this as an excuse to try to get someone banned for calling out your play. People need to stop using racism as a smokescreen for other motives. This is so dumb. threads like this make me ashamed to be part of this community lol.

and no, there is not some conspiracy of 3 people to undermine you. basically 3 separate players were independently mad about your play in different games.

[mk4r32]

Kobz, you seem to be a nice guy but ain't nobody bullying you. I can be your virtual friend if you feel left out, just don't ask me for my FB info.


All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out.

All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out.

All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out.

All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out.

All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out.

All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out.

All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out.

All you do is go forest/woods all game as entire team dies. Then you act like someone insulted your family when they call you out.

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From your own wiki article you linked (which was broken in your link):
"Americans are generally unfamiliar with the term "Paki" as a slur, and U.S. leaders and public figures have occasionally had to apologise for using the term."

In January 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush said on India–Pakistan relations that "We are working hard to convince both the Indians and the Pakis that there's a way to deal with their problems without going to war." After a Pakistani American journalist complained, a White House spokesman made a statement that Bush had great respect for Pakistan.[12] This followed an incident four years earlier, when Clinton White House adviser Sandy Berger had to apologise for referencing "Pakis" in public comments.[12]

Did your friend @MR_Nimbuss try to say that he is working with Pakistanis to prevent war or something?

No he simply tried to insult me racially by using a derogatory racial term, akin to using the N word directed right at a black person.

What are you trying to whitewash here @RichardCoffee?

A single remark like this in a heated chatlog isn't really even close to racism. You're just using this as an excuse to try to get someone banned for calling out your play. People need to stop using racism as a smokescreen for other motives. This is so dumb. threads like this make me ashamed to be part of this community lol.

Are you saying: A single remark of N word directed at a black person isn't really even close to racism?

So you're trying to whitewash a blatant racist insult and now you are the one who is ashamed to be part of the community? What kind of single-race bigoted low level community do you think ENT is to try to welcome you and your racist ideas? Do you remember this?

https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=146471&p=562119#p562119

(09:42 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: that was like Hitler arriving for Himmler in a helicopter

(30:29 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: Trash kobz!
(30:32 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: Iranian maphacker

(33:13 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: iran is not enough
(33:16 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: u live in a shit hole
(33:17 / All) kobz: and thx again for the compliement
(33:22 / Allied) bulkok: sniper why dont u get difusal
(33:25 / All) kobz: it's beautiful
(33:26 / All) kobz: come visit us
(33:29 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: u have no money
(33:33 / All) kobz: we do
(33:34 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: no women
(33:35 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: no nothing
(33:40 / All) kobz: 4th richest in the world
(33:44 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: LOL
(33:45 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: nice joke

I think it's better that we raise this issue and this thread to ENT management. This no longer feels like a safe community and someone who's in charge needs to handle it. @mattybatty @halo_mauler @Unitil

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No longer a safe community? Damn kobz, when did you become so sensitive?

And I do agree about your gameplay. Your naix seems to be effective 25% of games. It is definitely reflected in your elo.

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No longer a safe community? Damn kobz, when did you become so sensitive?

And I do agree about your gameplay. Your naix seems to be effective 25% of games. It is definitely reflected in your elo.

Around the same time you became sensitive apparently:

https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=146514&p=562273#p562273

[ENT] DotA apem us/ca #10 - http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 169508.w3g

24:41 - cancer to a family member
43:50 - Racial slur

And yet again it's the same person, @RichardCoffee , directing racial insults to others

Pal, we are taking about a game were I was Xin not naix. You didn't even read...

But if you insist, when you separate my naix games from my other games my elo is definitely higher than what it is currenly. I had a 1200+ elo just before being away for a long time, with the same naix game play. I don't understand why you guys even bring my game play here in a racist insult matter. All trying to divert the subject.

[RichardCoffee]

From your own wiki article you linked (which was broken in your link):
"Americans are generally unfamiliar with the term "Paki" as a slur, and U.S. leaders and public figures have occasionally had to apologise for using the term."

In January 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush said on India–Pakistan relations that "We are working hard to convince both the Indians and the Pakis that there's a way to deal with their problems without going to war." After a Pakistani American journalist complained, a White House spokesman made a statement that Bush had great respect for Pakistan.[12] This followed an incident four years earlier, when Clinton White House adviser Sandy Berger had to apologise for referencing "Pakis" in public comments.[12]

Did your friend @MR_Nimbuss try to say that he is working with Pakistanis to prevent war or something?

No he simply tried to insult me racially by using a derogatory racial term, akin to using the N word directed right at a black person.

What are you trying to whitewash here @RichardCoffee?

A single remark like this in a heated chatlog isn't really even close to racism. You're just using this as an excuse to try to get someone banned for calling out your play. People need to stop using racism as a smokescreen for other motives. This is so dumb. threads like this make me ashamed to be part of this community lol.

Are you saying: A single remark of N word directed at a black person isn't really even close to racism?

So you're trying to whitewash a blatant racist insult and now you are the one who is ashamed to be part of the community? What kind of single-race bigoted low level community do you think ENT is to try to welcome you and your racist ideas? Do you remember this?

https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=146471&p=562119#p562119

(09:42 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: that was like Hitler arriving for Himmler in a helicopter

(30:29 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: Trash kobz!
(30:32 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: Iranian maphacker

(33:13 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: iran is not enough
(33:16 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: u live in a shit hole
(33:17 / All) kobz: and thx again for the compliement
(33:22 / Allied) bulkok: sniper why dont u get difusal
(33:25 / All) kobz: it's beautiful
(33:26 / All) kobz: come visit us
(33:29 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: u have no money
(33:33 / All) kobz: we do
(33:34 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: no women
(33:35 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: no nothing
(33:40 / All) kobz: 4th richest in the world
(33:44 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: LOL
(33:45 / All) CHEESESTEAKSUB: nice joke

I think it's better that we raise this issue and this thread to ENT management. This no longer feels like a safe community and someone who's in charge needs to handle it. @mattybatty @halo_mauler @Unitil

This is a random out of context chatlog from a few years ago. None of that is racism. At all. Show me a single racial comment I made.
And there is another chatlog a few days after that, where we discussed Iranian movies and culture. You did not copy-and-paste that, because it does not fit your claim that people hate you because of your race and not your gameplay. You know absolutely nothing about me, but are here openly stating that I am a racist. You, sir, are a piece of human excrement.

And the other thread you link, also from years ago, I regretted trolling saint123 in chat and deserved that 2 day ban for trolling/flames (again, years ago). But the racial slur reported was me jokingly saying the rap word "n---a" and was not the reason for the ban. Again, this has nothing to do with anything.

I take great offense to some idiot on a gaming forum trying to cast me as a racist because he wants a ban request to go through, which I'm not even part of, all because his ego is hurt. And 'paki' is not the n-word. You are basically trivializing the black experience. This is beyond disgusting a thread.

[mk4r32]

when someone starts to ask them questions they go racist and defend racism

This is a reach. I'll entertain the bully talk but do not accuse anyone for false racism. You are barking up the wrong tree just to get someone banned.

Just drop it already and stop writing like you are in an expository 101 class at a community college.

The guy apologized for the aggressive word used and the mod already gave him a warning.

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This is a random out of context chatlog from a few years ago. None of that is racism.

Well all you've said is right there. It's for people to decide who is racist and who is not. Apparently it's not just me and not just recetly. And to top it up, you've entered into a new zone: Whitewashing racial slurs in general!

I take great offense to some idiot on a gaming forum trying to cast me as a racist because he wants a ban request to go through, which I'm not even part of, all because his ego is hurt. And 'paki' is not the n-word. You are basically trivializing the black experience. This is beyond disgusting a thread.

Paki is the one and only term used in a similar way that the N word is used, but directed at people of another region of the world instead of Africa. In Persian we don't have derogatory terms for different people of different regions, but apparently in English we have many. And for the region I live in the only racially derogatory term used is "Paki". Coincidentally your friend @MR_Nimbuss used this term exactly as a racial slur directed at me to insult (Not to prevent war like George Bush that you tried to whitewash earlier).

Trying to whitewash this is no better than using the term itself in my opinion. It's like someone trying to justify and encourage usage of all racial slurs including the N word in any context. This is simply unacceptable.

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when someone starts to ask them questions they go racist and defend racism

This is a reach. I'll entertain the bully talk but do not accuse anyone for false racism. You are barking up the wrong tree just to get someone banned.

Just drop it already and stop writing like you are in an expository 101 class at a community college.

(15:46 / Allied) kobz: when did you tell me
(15:49 / Allied) kobz: to go top?
(15:58 / Allied) iceman2.0: i swear
(15:59 / Allied) iceman2.0: kobz
(16:02 / Allied) iceman2.0: fucken dumbass paki
(16:03 / Allied) kobz: ?
(16:06 / Allied) kobz: swear?
(16:09 / Allied) iceman2.0: go READ CHAT
(16:11 / Allied) iceman2.0: you stpuid fuck
(16:15 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: lol
(16:17 / Allied) iceman2.0: holy shit
(16:18 / Allied) kobz: I'm gonna report you

(25:27 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: i think
(25:30 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: stfu kobz
(25:31 / Allied) kobz: I just report the game
(25:33 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: u soft bitch

[mk4r32]

You are absolutely blowing shit out of proportion to prove your point

stop copying and pasting chat to blur the actual chat.

(16:15 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: lol
I lol'd cuz you acted like you didn't see the fight and played dumb

(25:25 / Allied) kobz: can't play with these remarks
(25:26 / Allied) boldx: nice
(25:27 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: i think
(25:30 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: stfu kobz
(25:31 / Allied) kobz: I just report the game
(25:33 / Allied) wopwopwopwop: u soft bitch

You are soft. You immediately wanted to ff after you got called out FOR YOUR GAMEPLAY and started to cry " I can't play"

The root cause all stemmed from your gameplay, not your color. You got it all fucked up.


@iambackk The ban request is already dealt with. Can you process this so we can all move on?
Kobz is literally exaggerating and overtly playing the victim card.

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The root cause all stemmed from your gameplay, not your color. You got it all fucked up.

Then why was I called a "Paki" by your friend @MR_Nimbuss ?