[DOTA] ZacEfronFan @uswest.battle.net

[DeepMoisture]

Your Warcraft III username: LemonLeaves
Violator's Warcraft III username: ZacEfronFan @uswest.battle.net
Game name or map name: [ENT] DotA LoD -sdems6bod2 #12
Approximate date/time of game (alternatively, link to a Stats page): http://atl.entgaming.net/replay/view_re ... 676796.w3g
Rule player violated: Maphack
Time of incidents (Note in-game timer or replay timer):
Minute 0 - this may seem like a small matter, but note how said player hesitates and waits prior to proceeding to top - the same lane I am in.
Minute 3 - waits for Morph rather than attacking me.
Minute 5 - knows there's a gank but has reincarn so doesn't back.
Minute 10 - no sight of me, hides behind a tree to conceal himself from my impetus instead of backing.
Minute 12 - possible fog clicks on heroes near bottom rune.
Minute 13 - seems to be backing but then blinks right to me. Someone else is pinging where I went.
Minute 15 - Mossberg is there and pings me.
Minute 16 - Aba dodges impetus with blink without sight of me.
Minute 16 - ping on our SS and Aba goes directly for me. Blames orange for pinging there.
Minute 17 - Aba follows me PERFECTLY. Minute 17 - dodges impetus with blink (no sight).
Minute 18 - ping on our woods, purple tps in.
Minute 19 - ping near bottom tower.
Minute 21 - Aba goes right to AA in forest without sight.
Minute 21 Aba chases me PERFECTLY through our base without ANY sight. He makes sure to provide excuses for each suspicious incidence - as in - "you walk in a straight line I wonder where you went."
Minute 23 - ping on AA.
Minute 24 - Aba's perfectly blink to me prior to sight.
Minute 28 - Aba's blink to me prior to sight. Note how he's moving away from all of us as we try to gank them mid before he even sees us.
Minute 29 - ping on bottom lane.
Minute 29 - Aba blinks perfectly out of SK's fissure. WTH? At the same time, there is a ping on the wood (where I am after warding.)
Any further thoughts: I believe said player is maphacking, and I believe another player may also be maphacking in the same game. Constantly throughout the game the enemy team is pinging on locations they have no sight of to warn their teammates of where we are. Many times throughout, Abaddon makes up excuses for his actions and dares/threatens me to report him because it'll "waste" the admins' time. He's particularly good at dodging impetus with blink (often without sight of my attacking) and only goes in to fight (or stays to fight) while reincarn/BT are up. The few incidents during which he dies are flukes, clearly orchestrated by said player, or a miscalculated mistake. Please investigate and ban.

[BurritoCarcass]

When you look at the replay, what color is the ping? That will help you reveal who is map hacking.

[DeepMoisture]

After watching the replay again, and doing as you suggested (looking at the color of the pings) I believe that both orange and yellow MH. The times of suspicious pings are as follows:
Minute 4 - yellow pings orange at base because orange is afk (as if to nudge him for help/more pings mapwise.)
Minute 8 - teal pings top.
Minute 10 - yellow ping
Minute 11 - orange ping
Minute 12 - teal ping
Minute 12 - yellow ping
Minute 14 - suspicious orange ping
Minute 18 - orange again
Minute 19 - yellow again
Minute 21 - yellow/orange
Note that yellow ganks AA in jungle PRIOR to orange's ping. Indication of yellow's potential MH.
Minute 22 - there are NO pings as yellow chases (yellow=Aba) chases me through our base without sight.
Minute 23 - yellow ping
Minute 25 - teal ping
Minute 29 - super suspicious orange ping
Minute 30 - both yellow and orange ping.
Both players seem to coordinate their efforts and often ping simultaneously. Yellow often relies on orange to "ping" to cover his MH during game-play, but if you watch carefully orange often pings AFTER yellow's suspicious activity. In the case of yellow blinking to me or following me through our base or ganking AA there are either NO pings from orange or yellow or a LATE ping from orange. I'm not sure if teal MHs, but he had a few strange pings, though can't be too sure.
I hope this helps.

[BurritoCarcass]

Thanks for the second effort, I'll watch this for you in a bit and verify each time and the ping/situation. I appreciate your continued effort.

[Yondaime]

@burritocarcass you check it and then ill confirm it as I dont have the time just reminding you of dis.

[BurritoCarcass]

I've been trying to download the LOD map but it wont work on my computer

[NutzSucksHard]

Nothing suspicous as been found from me. There. Checked all ping. And nothing was wrong from them.

Also at 19:15 replay timer. Oj getting banged. Yellow run to help him and when he saw you were three. He decided to turn back and creep. Still if he was maphacking, he wouldn't cause AA was there and nuked his ass.

I'm mad cause I had review every ping with a note aside it... and my post got fuckin all erased for Idk why... Whatever. This is clear for me that they doesn't maphack (maybe I missed something). If you think I missed something, that one of these ping was real maphack. Give the replay timer of it please so I can go check it asap and see if I was wrong.. Also, one click made me thought yellow maphacked, maybe you too... The rune one (dd top rune). Still, he had split a second of vision when he went secret shop. That explain the ping. So, again, thanks for reporting. I've saw nothing. Sorry..

All ping was to say a direction to team and not to hero kill or invis click a hero to say BACK or w.e. They always had prior vision and most of ping that you call maphack are 'anticipation' of a move. They never pinged in completly fog. They always had a prior vision of the hero or rune.

Here is replay and Map :

[DeepMoisture]

Am I mistaken or can they see my furion TP ping on the map? When I was watching my replay, from orange's or yellow's perspective, I did not see the white "ping" that shows up when I furion TP on the map the way your replay shows it. If they can see it, then I apologize for using up your time. My replay honestly did not show it, and I can't for the hell of me remember if furion tp does show up on the enemy's minimap. I remember that relocate does, but yeah. You can see why without it "pinging" a lot of orange's random pings and actions would seem highly suspicious to me, as well as the way yellow responds to them.

[BurritoCarcass]

Here are some facts with furion you may not know that can lead you to believe people map hack.

1) furion's tp makes a sound if you are any where near it, even fogged you can hear it if you use game sounds. It does not show a white ping to the enemy.
2) you can see furion's tp because leaves on the ground ruffle and spin in a circle.
3) whenever you cast your ult, your position is revealed for 1.5-2 seconds, this is how bara can charge a jungling furion.

Does this help with you ban request? maybe it explains your suspicion? I would have looked at this but I still cannot get an LOD map that works

[DeepMoisture]

It helps quite a lot, and in that case I would like to ask whomever reviewed the game the following:
Why does orange ping on our secret SS after I teleport in if he cannot see me and I did not use any spells? How did orange furthermore ping on my location in our forest after I warded if I was not revealed to anyone? (~ minute 15-18 for the first question and minute 28-30 for the second.) Both pings are extremely suspicious the way I view it because he has no wards or indication of my location, he's not anywhere near me, and yet he's pinging away at my locations so that his friend yellow can respond and gank me.

[SNSD-Yuri]

He is a familiar player from Dota Void. This is interesting I'm gonna ask someone else on DV ban staff to look at it cuz I'm too busy atm.

[SadamsAdams]

I've played with him for 2 years and I know he's not a maphacker. Anyone in our clan can vouch for him.
He's also on east :3

[Yondaime]

From what I know there are some maphacks that do allow you to see a person pinging, the little selection ping I do not know.

[WWWWWWWWWWWW]

NO. This guy Is A Guy From The Dota[Void] Community
Im SUREhe doesn't MapHack

[DeepMoisture]

So many people quickly jumping to his defense... and yet: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12725. He's clearly a troll, and a game ruiner. His alt's name is quite similar, and he speaks in a similar fashion to the replay of this game, and he both threatens to IP dodge ban and states that reporting him is a waste of time. Dear Ent Admins and ANYONE with a brain - does this remind you of anyone? ZacEfronFan = Lebron_Blows_Me. Thanks, and I'm out.