Banned for "flaming" while "Agreements"ignores maphacker

[CountChocula96]

I just came back from a game, don't have replay for now because its on my other PC.

I was goblin techies, playing against the most obvious maphackers. The user oberst45 was 100% definitely hacking as teal. He constantly ran from ganks miles before fog, stopped right before mine ambushes, etc. I have never played a techis Dota game where I literally could not get ONE kill JUST because the opposing team never stepped into any mines.

Anyway, I was sort of swearing in the chat (nothing extremely offensive, sort of just using cuss words like in normal conversation). Then the admin "Agreements" I guess told me to stop or something. I wasn't paying attention. He didn't let me know he was admin or anything. I shrugged it off until he typed in the code to ban me. At no point did he let me know he was an admin. Obviously, I didn't swear again.

Then obviously I was asking Agreements why he wasn't banning the opposing team for obviously hacking. A player was reporting someone else seeing clicks from teal on their units, and blue on the other team was even saying things like "Well, at least I'm not hacking."

Agreements just completely shrugged it all off, saying it was difficult to prove hacking. He said that they could be using sent wards, although that would mean they would be covering the whole map. When I asked him if he was then going to at least check the replay to confirm, he laughed it off in chat and said "no, lol." I also want to just point out that Agreements also said that someone on opposite team was "DEFINITELY mhing." Apparently his justification was that its "difficult to prove" even though our team and their own team was saying it.

I strongly think the reason he didn't do anything was because he himself had maphacks on. Blue was complaining about Agreements using dust at just the right time when he was hidden, an odd coincidence.

And he then had the nerve to say that me calling out mhers was an "excuse" for not doing well, whereas anyone with a brain will tell you techies is literally reduced to just a laner when heroes have sight of whole map.

After that, he said that he "wasn't very good" after dying so much and I said "that's obvious, be quiet." I did not use offensive language ingame after the first 2 day ban (which came without warning that it was an admin). He then banned me for flaming.

But he completely ignored reports of MHing. It was 100% obvious trust me that oberst45 at the very least was hacking.

Do admins here support hackers???

[Iznogood]

Can't find the ban request on this oberst45 but in his stats page it says he is banned 1 year.. obviously for mh

oberst45@europe.battle.net is banned until 2014-08-02 14:50:09 CST.
https://entgaming.net/openstats/dota/?u=oberst45

[supersexyy]

Took me a whole 20 seconds to find the replay @karasu.
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=1826865

[karasu.]

Took me a whole 20 seconds to find the replay @karasu.
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=1826865

Good for you, I couldn't care less. You want a medal? I'm not going to go look for it, I shouldn't need to. If he's going to complain then he should present the proof.

[CountChocula96]

The game with oberst was today on Azeroth.

If you can't get the replay right now then why would you even post a complaint? Do you expect me to go off of your word alone? No we don't support maphackers, we've removed multiple staff for the use of it. I'll give you 48 hours tops to get more proof because right now I'm construing this as a rage post. I will take your complaint more seriously upon you providing me with evidence.

Uhm, my main concern isn't even that this Agreeemnents is hacking. He was on my team. The point is, why was I BANNED, while Agreements ignored the MHer? Is flaming a more serious offense than MH? Y

Also you just admitted you have banned multiple admins for MHing, so it's not like it's a shocking new development. Why would you not take it seriously?

[karasu.]

For starters oberst45 is currently banned for maphacking so where is the ignoring part? I'm curious. You could just go post a ban appeal but instead you came here and complained over something that shouldn't have been complained about.

[CountChocula96]

For starters oberst45 is currently banned for maphacking so where is the ignoring part? I'm curious.

I'm trying to be civil here. I didn't know oberst was dealt with, that's good I guess. I think Agreements got scared when I told him I would complain to the higher-ups. If you watch the game, you see him laughing about not watching the replay or banning him.

This is still unacceptable behavior from an admin. I was banned for flaming, while I was justified because he was coming off as completely ignoring MHers. Where is the logic in that?

[CountChocula96]

For starters oberst45 is currently banned for maphacking so where is the ignoring part? I'm curious.

I'm trying to be civil here. I didn't know oberst was dealt with, that's good I guess. I think Agreements got scared when I told him I would complain to the higher-ups. If you watch the game, you see him laughing about not watching the replay or banning him.

This is still unacceptable behavior from an admin. I was banned for flaming, while I was justified because he was coming off as completely ignoring MHers. Where is the logic in that?

Who's not being civil? This is just the way I talk online, I'm being 100% civil. I am asking you to explain to me logically how he ignored a maphacker when he banned him for it earlier today. Agreements is the highest up on the totem pole, I'm in the middle of terms of the hierarchy(if you want to call it that of course). It's not my problem if you didn't know he was dealt with, you came here and complained without being 100% sure of the facts. If I were you I would go post a ban appeal. Honestly just post an appeal because in my mind this has already been resolved.

Can this thread be moved into the appeals section?

But again, my entire point is just that there was a focus on banning me, while a hacker roamed free with 0 attention from oberst. My point, again, is that during the game, Agreements did not seem to care at all about oberst. This is confirmed by the chatlogs from him. Not one moment in the game is he saying he's going to ban him. And for the last time, I;m 100% certain he issued the ban just because I said I was going to take this to the higher-ups.

I should be unbanned because:

1) Although the user warned me to stop swearing, he did not say he was an admin or that I would be banned.

2) I was banned for flaming, which means that Agreements should also be banned because he flamed me. He told me to "shut up" and stop "whining" about a obvious MHer.

3) He said he was going to do absolutely nothing about the MHer,

and

4) It might be smart to watch the replay and see if Agreements is hacking, just to at least have him on the radar.

[uakf.b]

We added guidelines for flaming bans, are we no longer following them?

1. Only player in the game can post ban request about flaming, otherwise the ban request should be denied.
2. Flamer and victim must be on same team.
3. Maximum two day ban for flaming (including repeat offenders).
4. Flaming must include several harassing messages in the game over a long duration to be considered excessive (non-excessive flaming is not bannable).

[karasu.]

Well that's why I said sort of, he wasn't really full-on excessive. He only meets some of the criteria.

[uakf.b]

Well that's why I said sort of, he wasn't really full-on excessive. He only meets some of the criteria.

I mean, did someone post a ban request? I thought it had to not be staff, although I see now it doesn't say that.

[karasu.]

Well that's why I said sort of, he wasn't really full-on excessive. He only meets some of the criteria.

I mean, did someone post a ban request? I thought it had to not be staff, although I see now it doesn't say that.

I'm trying to find the ban request, I need to go take some cough medicine though so it'll have to wait a second.

[CountChocula96]

(25:21 / All) CountChocula96: these kids are so bad
(25:29 / Allied) Agreements: brown
(25:31 / Allied) Agreements: shut it
(25:35 / Allied) Agreements: tired of the qq

(29:16 / All) Agreements: you attack luna
(29:18 / All) Agreements: lol
(29:22 / All) AgeOfLegend: before
(29:23 / All) AgeOfLegend: i attack
(29:26 / All) AgeOfLegend: he dust
(29:28 / All) AgeOfLegend: nubs
(29:31 / All) Agreements: hardly
(29:33 / All) CountChocula96: qq
(29:47 / All) AgeOfLegend: idiot
(29:48 / All) AgeOfLegend: sure u hack



(49:39 / Allied) CountChocula96: that's what i am doing tard
(49:40 / Allied) AgeOfLegend: omg
(49:44 / Allied) Agreements: Dude, i warned you about that language
(49:47 / Allied) Agreements: not warning you again..
(49:52 / Allied) CountChocula96: i want a white to suck on my penis.
(50:01 / Allied) Agreements: !ban count flaming

why was I banned for a joking sexual reference for flaming?


(55:02 / Allied) CountChocula96: why u ban me and not mh? just wondering
(55:08 / Allied) Agreements: i can'
(55:13 / Allied) Agreements: prove maphack ingame
(55:16 / Allied) IlIIllIlIllI: ro
(55:18 / Allied) IlIIllIlIllI: i get
(55:20 / Allied) CountChocula96: so u gonna see replay dude?
(55:24 / Allied) Agreements: why
(55:27 / Allied) oberst45: finish pls
(55:29 / Allied) oberst45: i must go
(55:30 / Allied) CountChocula96: cuz their mhing its obvious...
(55:36 / Allied) oberst45: afk
(55:37 / Allied) Agreements: and?=

(58:07 / Allied) Agreements: it was obvious
(58:13 / Allied) CountChocula96: and yet u dont ban them
(58:15 / Allied) oberst45: push
(58:19 / Allied) Agreements: No i don't
(58:20 / Allied) Soggy_Cow: vipers gonna push bot
(58:23 / Allied) CountChocula96: mh accepted?
(58:29 / Allied) Agreements: if you want them banned you go report them
(58:30 / Allied) Agreements: '
(58:35 / Allied) CountChocula96: but why did u ban me?
(58:43 / Allied) Agreements: You flamed
(58:51 / Allied) Agreements: ANd i warned you to stop
(58:51 / Allied) CountChocula96: how is that worse than literally using hacks?
(58:55 / Allied) Agreements: But you choose it yourself
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(59:01 / Allied) Agreements: You can't prove they maphack
(59:03 / Allied) Agreements: Simple
(59:07 / Allied) Agreements: Could just be wards
(59:07 / Allied) CountChocula96: you can't prove i flamed either
(59:08 / Allied) IlIIllIlIllI: go mid
(59:15 / Allied) Agreements: Ofc i can
(59:18 / Allied) CountChocula96: nope
(59:20 / Allied) Agreements: You even called me a nigger
(59:23 / Allied) oberst45: no gem
(59:25 / Allied) Agreements: I have the chatlog
(59:28 / Allied) Agreements: Quit qq kid
(59:31 / Allied) CountChocula96: so? how's that a flame?
(59:32 / Allied) Agreements: And stop qq
(59:38 / Allied) Agreements: Racism dude
(59:41 / Allied) Agreements: Read our rules
(59:48 / Allied) CountChocula96: you never said you were offended
(59:55 / Allied) CountChocula96: mh not against rules?

61:33 / All) Agreements: 0-8 with techie
(61:34 / All) Agreements: epic
(61:35 / Allied) Samolet: gem
(61:38 / All) Agreements: ><
(61:42 / All) CountChocula96: 0-8 techie with mh
(61:44 / All) CountChocula96: average
(61:57 / All) Agreements: Excuse (They maphack)
(62:02 / All) Agreements: MUHAHAHA
(62:03 / All) CountChocula96: that's a gamebreaker
(62:08 / All) Agreements: !sd count

(62:14 / All) Agreements: 1/7 win ratio LOOL
(62:23 / All) Agreements: 29/87 feed :d

(67:07 / All) Agreements: gosh you suck bone
(67:10) oberst45 killed Agreements
(67:16 / All) Agreements: you just killed yourself
(67:24 / All) CountChocula96: ur awful pink sorry
(67:30 / All) Agreements: Yes i know
(67:36 / All) CountChocula96: then quiet please.
(67:37 / Allied) AgeOfLegend: go hit now
(67:38 / Allied) AgeOfLegend: i bored
(67:58 / All) Agreements: Considering my stats compared to your's mr. I think everybody is a maphacker :d
(68:12 / All) CountChocula96: all i said was ur awful, nothing to do with mh
(68:18 / All) Agreements: Oh no orange killed techie
(68:20 / All) Agreements: HE MAPHACK
(68:32) CountChocula96 killed CountChocula96
(68:39) oberst45 killed AgeOfLegend
(68:39) AgeOfLegend killed oberst45
(68:47 / All) CountChocula96: pink uninstall pls you shouldn't be playing this game.
(68:49) Agreements killed pulubi
(69:05 / All) Agreements: funny :d
(69:10 / All) CountChocula96: your life? i know.
(69:19 / Allied) Agreements: Dude, shut it before i make it a week instead
(69:23 / Allied) Agreements: last chance
(69:28 / All) CountChocula96: what am i doing wrong?
(69:34) Samolet killed Soggy_Cow
(69:39 / All) AgeOfLegend: come
(69:44 / Allied) Agreements: You are insulting me everytime there is something
(69:48 / All) CountChocula96: how?
(69:51 / All) CountChocula96: ur insulting me
(69:56 / Allied) Agreements: How is that
(70:03 / All) CountChocula96: i would like a ban placed on you for intimidating me with bannings
(70:11 / Allied) Agreements: Fine go do it
(70:13 / Allied) Agreements: Now shut up
(70:15) Samolet killed Agreements
(70:18 / All) AgeOfLegend: bye
(70:18 / All) CountChocula96: language
(70:20 / All) CountChocula96: reporting

(71:48 / All) IlIIllIlIllI: This game was hosted by GHost++ (http://www.codelain.com).
(71:50 / Allied) Agreements: hf with the ban

How is this not an abuse of powers?????

[karasu.]

I'm not saying the flaming ban was 100% warranted but dude you need to understand that we can't ban or kick in-game for maphack(Even if we're suspicious or think it's obvious). We have guidelines that we have to follow as mods. Even moderators have to make ban requests after the fact and have another admin check it over.

It's not that agreements ignored the MH, but he has to follow the rules like everyone else in reference to MH bans.

As for your flaming ban that was dodgy and I'm not 100% sure about that.

[CountChocula96]

I'm not saying the flaming ban was 100% warranted but dude you need to understand that we can't ban or kick in-game for maphack(Even if we're suspicious or think it's obvious). We have guidelines that we have to follow as mods. Even moderators have to make ban requests after the fact and have another admin check it over.

It's not that agreements ignored the MH, but he has to follow the rules like everyone else in reference to MH bans.

As for your flaming ban that was dodgy and I'm not 100% sure about that.

I understand the rules but my concern is that Agreements was outright saying that he didn't give a **** about the MHer:

55:02 / Allied) CountChocula96: why u ban me and not mh? just wondering
(55:08 / Allied) Agreements: i can'
(55:13 / Allied) Agreements: prove maphack ingame
(55:20 / Allied) CountChocula96: so u gonna see replay dude?
(55:24 / Allied) Agreements: why
(55:30 / Allied) CountChocula96: cuz their mhing its obvious...
(55:37 / Allied) Agreements: and?= : )

and then there was that log excerpt I posted where clinkz accused Agreements himself of having MH. If you ask me, it's all very sketchy...it should be looked into.

There was also a point where Agreements himself said that their mh was "obvious." Then, he proceeded to flame me at endgame because I said I had no kills as techie because of MH, saying it was a qq "excuse."