mod abuse? (island def)

[zaq]

power tripping? i was first at killing the chicken and end up taking 1 egg, and plus. claims the eggs as his because he killed the minion and subsequently kicks me because i wont give it to him

[zaq]

for island defense
plus killed a minion with his hero and i wanted the eggs to i started to kill the chicken....plus joins in to kill it too...no problems there ... we end up killing the chicken and i took one egg
then plus demands the egg because its "his" because he killed the minion to begin with
i refuse to give him the egg because thats just an absurd claim so he proceeds to kick me
the last min of the replay that ive uploaded should have all the evidence needed to be seen


(28:55 / Allied) PLus.: give me back my egg
(29:01 / Allied) ZaQ: how was it urs
(29:04 / Allied) barney2005: i
(29:05 / Allied) PLus.: I killed the mini
(29:06 / Allied) PLus.: alone
(29:07 / Allied) barney2005: zazz
(29:12 / Allied) barney2005: u lost one
(29:13 / Allied) ZaQ: doesnt mean its yours mate
(29:14 / Allied) barney2005: let me have it
(29:16 / Allied) PLus.: Sure does
(29:20 / Allied) PLus.: Will you give it back now?
(29:24 / Allied) barney2005: i was boted
(29:25 / Allied) barney2005: bored
(29:26 / Allied) ZaQ: maybe
(29:28 / All) Pilzquadrat: wow close
(29:30 / Allied) barney2005: and this only way its even fair
(29:30 / Allied) Pilzquadrat: ww
(29:30 / Allied) PLus.: Kay
(29:32 / Allied) PLus.: Give
(29:43 / Allied) PLus.: !kick zaq
(29:43 / All) Sat: ZaQ was kicked by player [PLus.].

heres the game
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=1880737

[PLus]

If you don't help kill the minion (Trap, Block, Significant damage, Eye, Slow) you don't get an egg, simple as that.
Helping kill a chicken by no means gives you the right to take an egg.
Here's a replay: http://atl.entgaming.net/replay/view_re ... 880737.w3g
Now go weep me a river.

[Hate2Lose]

Even if he did "steal" the egg, doesn't give you the right to kick him from a game. You should have played it out then requested a ban for him (if this is even a bannable offense). You took your admin powers and used it in game. I believe this is admin abuse. Nowhere on the I.D Rules does it say it's an offense to do what Zaq did.


[spoiler=]Island Defense Rules


Reasons to temporarily ban or kick a player:
If player is not punished in-game, then we can enforce a time ban.

AFK builder/titan that ruins the game.
Placing your main builder in a place that is not nukable by titan.
Loud stacking (worker stacking with the loud error sounds) or worker stacking in an unnukable spot in a base.
Intentional stalling a losing game as titan and wasting everyone's time for more than 5 mins. The titan can be kicked if he does not kill a builder in 20 minutes time, and if 50% of the builders alive agree to having the titan kicked.
[Reveal] Spoiler:
Intentional feeding without 60% of the other players' consensus (applies to titan intentionally feeding builders gold).
Refusing to leave base after being asked by owner.
Item stealing.
[Reveal] Spoiler:
Intentional abusing of pause/resumes and/or save game.
Intentional suiciding that negatively affects the game (unless to deny feed or the game is blatantly over and no builders want to take over titan).
Intentional blocking that negatively affects player(s) game experience.
Any form of glitch abuse that negatively affects the game.
Team killing (denying feed acceptable).
Leaver titan in the first 10 minutes of game (time must be noted from when titan spawns (GP timer starts)).
[Reveal] Spoiler:
Player enables game modes -ar; -rd; -br; -gc; froff; -exp/dxp without 60% of the other players' consensus
Multi-boxing
Use of Macros that significantly alters the game-play of the player.
Stackable time bans for repeat offenses of any of the above.

Refer to [General rules] for more information on bans and kicks.

Note: Item jumping, titan mass-jumping and wall walking are not punishable by ban.

Miscellaneous Rules:
Titan may leave the game under the condition that 3 or more builders have left the game or became observers as a builder in the first 10 minutes. He can also leave early if there is no basers left (Builders that have already died to the titan are not counted).
Gathering consensus in the lobby chat is not recorded, so it is still bannable if you do not have proof of lobby chat, unless an ID staff member confirms that 60% consensus was gathered via the lobby chat.
If a player pings a seed and/or a base it does NOT mean they have the rights to that seed and/or base. The first unit that has the ability to build (includes any builder/summoner, excludes nature's workers) to the seed and/or base has the rights to it. Tk'ing will result in a time ban.[/spoiler]

[HateLose]

Also as a mod, you shouldn't kick players from a game, unless they are intentionally ruining the game. Even if they are, you should wait til the game is over and report it through the proper channels. You kicking someone in-game, when they didn't break any rules is abusing your powers.....imo.

[PLus]

Firstly, notice how I asked him for my egg back without any idication that I am an admin.
After kindly waiting ever so patiently for him to return my egg I kicked him to take it back rather than ban him.

Item stealing is against the rules, people who contribute nothing to killing a minion are breaking said rule. At least it's the way it has always been handled at BGN.

To those of you who know nothing about island defense:
When a builder is killed a minion is spawned which has quite a bit of damage and health and is rather difficult to kill, once this minion has been killed a chicken is spawned which can deal no damage and is easily trappable. This chicken drops valuable eggs which can be converted into useful items to beef up and kill other minions with.

What I did was kill the minion as well as damage the chicken substantial, what he did is attack the chicken a few times and pick up an egg which in my best judgment he did not deserve. I asked him for it back and he refused so I kicked the player rather than banning him.

[HateLose]

But why kick him, if this isn't breaking any rules? If you weren't a mod (had admin powers) you wouldn't be able to do it and you would have to play the game without getting your egg back. You can't kick/ban people when they aren't breaking the rules, that's abusing your powers.

Edit: If you think this should be a rule, I would suggest you bring it up to the other mods.

[zaq]

Helping kill a chicken by no means gives you the right to take an egg.

so by what rules is killing a minion entitle you to the chickens eggs even though the chicken is a separate unit? And i knew you were an admin, and even if i didnt do you think you stating it would have made me act differently?

If the minion dropped the eggs then i would understand HOWEVER the minion spawns the CHICKEN that drops the eggs and I have helped killed the chicken.

And we are not on BGN plus

What I did was kill the minion as well as damage the chicken substantial, what he did is attack the chicken a few times and pick up an egg which in my best judgment he did not deserve.

i was gonna trap it and then kill which would be obvious in the replay - but you were so greedy for the eggs that u blinked in and started hitting it before i could completely trap it

[PLus]

Helping kill a chicken by no means gives you the right to take an egg.

so by what rules is killing a minion entitle you to the chickens eggs even though the chicken is a separate unit? And i knew you were an admin, and even if i didnt do you think you stating it would have made me act differently?

If the minion dropped the eggs then i would understand HOWEVER the minion spawns the CHICKEN that drops the eggs and I have helped killed the chicken.

And we are not on BGN plus

By the means that it is substantially more difficult to kill a minion than a chicken, had I not killed the minion you surely wouldn't have been able too.
I'm absolutely certain that the island defense staff would agree with my judgement. I'm aware that this is ENT but most of the island defense community comes from what was formerly known as BGN and this was the way we handled it there.

Instead of bickering pointlessly why don't we let an island defense admin (or someone with relevant authority and knowledge of the game) handle this further.

[zaq]

By the means that it is substantially more difficult to kill a minion than a chicken, had I not killed the minion you surely wouldn't have been able too.

low level minion, i had a merch, titan wasnt very good, not very hard to kill minion - so i would say i would have been. And if you were so certain you are justified you wouldn't be here defending yourself - but yes lets see what people who have authority actually say.

[PLus]

Helping kill a chicken by no means gives you the right to take an egg.

so by what rules is killing a minion entitle you to the chickens eggs even though the chicken is a separate unit? And i knew you were an admin, and even if i didnt do you think you stating it would have made me act differently?

If the minion dropped the eggs then i would understand HOWEVER the minion spawns the CHICKEN that drops the eggs and I have helped killed the chicken.

And we are not on BGN plus

What I did was kill the minion as well as damage the chicken substantial, what he did is attack the chicken a few times and pick up an egg which in my best judgment he did not deserve.

i was gonna trap it and then kill which would be obvious in the replay - but you were so greedy for the eggs that u blinked in and started hitting it before i could completely trap it

I'm defending myself because I'm being accused not because I'm guilty, I thought that much was common sense.

Time stamps:
25:40 Hunter finds minion
25:55 I summon, surround and kill the minion completely alone.
26:22 Minion dies
28:40 You fail to trap my chicken and hit it once before it walks out of your "trap"
28:49 You land one more hit on the chicken after my hunter had damaged it all the way and take an egg

In the whole scenario you only hit the chicken twice, which brought me to the conclusion that you don't deserve even a taste of my precious egg you dirty rat.

[HateLose]

I'm absolutely certain that the island defense staff would agree with my judgement. I'm aware that this is ENT but most of the island defense community comes from what was formerly known as BGN and this was the way we handled it there.

Instead of bickering pointlessly why don't we let an island defense admin (or someone with relevant authority and knowledge of the game) handle this further.

I completely understand you're from BGN and with the merge this game became more popular on ENT. I'm not an expert with this game, however if there is no rule stating this is not allowed, especially in the rules section of the forum, how are members supposed to know this is a bannable offense? Also, just because you're a mod doesn't give you the right to kick people from in-game. You should have sucked it up and requested a ban for him after the game.

[zaq]

im talking about the chicken not the minion

28:40 You fail to trap my chicken and hit it once before it walks out of your "trap"

like i said i wasnt done with my trap and you were so greedy for the eggs that you blinked in and started hitting it
and you seem to have a possessive issue calling things "yours" when they arent.

hence

(28:38 / Allied) ZaQ: wow plus
(28:40 / Allied) ZaQ: way to fuck it up

on the replay and theres no need to get angry

In the whole scenario you only hit the chicken twice, which brought me to the conclusion that you don't deserve even a taste of my precious egg you dirty rat.

so if i come to the conclusion that i deserve the egg and that you instead stole my egg, would it have given me the right to kick you? its not about what you think its about whats right

[PLus]

im talking about the chicken not the minion

28:40 You fail to trap my chicken and hit it once before it walks out of your "trap"

like i said i wasnt done with my trap and you were so greedy for the eggs that you blinked in and started hitting it
and you seem to have a possessive issue calling things "yours" when they arent.

hence

(28:38 / Allied) ZaQ: wow plus
(28:40 / Allied) ZaQ: way to fuck it up

on the replay and theres no need to get angry

In the whole scenario you only hit the chicken twice, which brought me to the conclusion that you don't deserve even a taste of my precious egg you dirty rat.

so if i come to the conclusion that i deserve the egg and that you instead stole my egg, would it have given me the right to kick you? its not about what you think its about whats right

Had our roles been reversed it would give you the right to ban me for a couple of days instead of a simple kick to take an item back, would you rather that would have happened, if so I will gladly oblige.

If you took the time to review the replay you will notice that due to your negligence you failed to trap the chicken properly before hitting him which resulted in it running away, you hit the chicken before my titan hunter did. Don't blame me for your failure.

It's mine because out of the (2150 hp minion + 2700 hp chicken), you dealt 250 damage at most to something (the chicken) which couldn't fight back and think you deserve to have a share of the spoils.

[Virulence]

Even if he did "steal" the egg, doesn't give you the right to kick him from a game. You should have played it out then requested a ban for him (if this is even a bannable offense). You took your admin powers and used it in game. I believe this is admin abuse. Nowhere on the I.D Rules does it say it's an offense to do what Zaq did.


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@Hate2Lose
If you're going to post the rules, make sure to post them in their ENTIRETY.

You left this key factor out of your quote.

[spoiler=Item Stealing]If the player gave no contribution (Trapper = Damage dealer > unit blocker > slow/stunner > unit revealer (vision + eye of ocean)) to killing the chicken and/or minion, then he should not deserve the item and can be banned if they take it and doesn't return the item to the player upon request of the item owner. For items that don't concern chickens or minions, the item belongs to the player who bought the item, except in the case of the titan whereas the titan owns his minions, and can -kick colour at any time of the game.[/spoiler]

In my opinion, Plus was in the right.

And a kick is much better than a ban.