Is special treatment allowed in ENT?

[DonaldtheDuckie]

Well, regarding your complaint vs me it is all insubstantiated and I can only see the purpose of your complaint against me to have the intention of slandering my good name. You have been warned multiple times to stick to the facts and dont lie.

Regarding the poll:

You cannot fault a man for injecting humour for the sake of adding some joy to an otherwise rather dull poll about the abuse of 1 game mechanic. The intention was to see how many people in the lihl had a sense of humour as well as trying to see how many were actually against reverse building. I'm happy to acknowledge that a majority has a great sense of humour, but felt a bit saddened that not more were of the same mind as to banning reverse, but would rather prefer banning reverse as well as antistucking and doublebuilding. Though this debate is still ongoing, my poll was the initiater of this community benefitting potential major gamebreaker. I did not see a single thank you Donald for spending so much of your time trying to help us all, but I know you all think it, so here is you're welcome.

Several people mentions that his poll needs to be more neutral in order to get a useful result, even a game moderators, EdgeOfChaos, is stating following:
EdgeOfChaos wrote:
I don't play LIHL, so I don't care about the outcome, but this is a ridiculously biased poll. It's like a Fangorn poll. If you want meaningful results you should make it more fair

EdgeofChaos is not a lihl mod, he is not even vouched in the lihl. He had no idea about why the poll was made as it was nor what it was supposed to show. His wellintended response to make sure that we got the most out of the poll was well received and I thought of replying with ty for your response and input but never got around to it. Here is Ty @edgeofchaos for spending a time on a forum which you have no relation to, for the sole reason of benefitting that forum. That is admirable.



Regarding: regarding:

WAY BEYOND acceptable, he's even going as far as harassing people who believe otherwise or is a 'roadblock' for him to accomplish as he wishes. This is similar to how Supersexyy were mocking a person for sharing his beliefs, only here it's LihlDiabloDuck flaming Ilocos_Norte in private just because he's sharing his opinion which isn't the same as his 'mindset'. This is seen by following conversation, which I'd really like if @Ilocos_Norte would share his opinion about, because nobody should accept to be treated like that:

The so called "proof" you provided of Ilocos_norte feeling hurt about my behavior, is him flaming me behind my back in a game. Calling me "so dumb" "purporting that I flame him privately" and calling me "such a dick".

(01:54 / Allied) ILOCOS_NORTE: duck is so dumb, flaming me private
(02:00 / Allied) iG0D: for why
(02:05 / Allied) ILOCOS_NORTE: cross
(02:07 / Allied) ILOCOS_NORTE: build
(02:08 / Allied) ILOCOS_NORTE: ^^
(02:09 / Allied) iG0D: lol
(02:13 / Allied) iG0D: did u beat him?
(02:15 / Allied) ILOCOS_NORTE: y
(02:18 / Allied) iG0D: nice
(02:23 / Allied) ILOCOS_NORTE: such a dick
(02:27 / Allied) iG0D: tell him ig0d says QQ
(02:31 / Allied) ILOCOS_NORTE: ^^
(02:34 / Allied) ILOCOS_NORTE: hes off now

I dont see how I am to blame for a player flaming and trashtalking an admin behind his back? But thank you for adressing this. I did not know that Ilocos_norte was slandering my good name behind my back. Now I do.

Regarding:

Not to mention that this isn't the first time Duck is using his admin powers for his own good, there's been several report/complaints where he doesn't seem to care what the community beliefs:
- viewtopic.php?f=31&t=13300 (Complaint about lihldiabloduck, Abusing Powers)
- viewtopic.php?f=83&t=13296 (Lihldiabloduck as moderator?)
- viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13306 (Future of LIHL)

Especially the last one, is worth noticing, because I clearly prove/show how Duck ignored what 3 out of 4 moderators said and 13 out of 15 were suggesting. He decided to ignore all of this, and go through with his whatever suited him. This ended up in Dweller having to clean up the mess after him.

Again you should stick to the facts.
All insubstantied voicings of abuse! Abuse! abuse! by victims feeling that the enforcer was the agressor, rather than them being the persons responsible for their own actions. These complaints has allready been thoroughly examined and the complainers given a FINAL warning to adhere to the forum rules of not spamming, ( all of your topics are about the same, and you would do well to adhere to the forum rules and not try to show 3 spam topics as 3 different complaints, but rather 1 complaint) To be precise: this complaint:: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=13300

I will quote the conclusion of that report:

Complaint closed. If you got anything solid against my moderators you can PM me.
Stop spamming the board. Final warning.

So unless you accuse Agreements and all other admins involved in this process of lying and abusing their admin powers, it would appear that the 3 so called "complaints" you link to vs me, and so called "abuses" of my admin powers, are all unsolid and therefore Bullshit.

This is yet another example of you lying by using twisted truths to try and get your will and you have been warned innumerable times about not doing this allready. You have allready been permanently unvouched from the lihl as a result of this, perhaps it is time that you were banned from the forums as well?

[Feor]

Drahque unvouch:
- viewtopic.php?f=85&t=13417 (12 hours)
- viewtopic.php?f=85&t=13795 (72 hours)
- viewtopic.php?f=85&t=14261 (0 rules broken, PERMANENT unvouch)

Achillesgr reports:
- viewtopic.php?f=85&t=13417 (12 hours)
- viewtopic.php?f=85&t=14386 (72 hours)
- viewtopic.php?f=83&t=14572 (5 rules broken, NO unvouch)[/spoiler]

- A regular player, Drahque, was permanently unvouched without any explanation or proof about the rules that had been broken in order to make it.
- A regular player, Achillesgr, was unvouched first 12 hrs and then 72 hrs similar to Drahque, but on his 3rd offense, where he broke whole 4-5 rules, no actions was taken.

See achillesgr has been punished the same way you did for rule breaking.

The fact that your 4 rules report on him was denied ( by Mick that you hold in such a high regard ) should tell you something.

Posts exactly like this ( although clears answers have been given to you ) you manipulate them in order to suit your arguments, are what part of what got you unvouched. ( and the part duckie posted )

If ilocos has any complaints he can do so on his own and it will be properly investigated.


You have made a huge post asking for some answers, for every part that you asked the answer is in front of you, I don't understand what more do you want ? Is it to ban everyone else you mentioned and put you back in the channel ?

[dweiler]

I am sorry for OP, but I kind of have to 'take over' this topic. Art)y has called me being one sided, and in chat even ignorant, favouring Drahque and stubborn. I am sad a green mod talks about his fellow mod this way, but apparently I gave Art)y this impression. I will take some time to explain myself better than in the previous posts, because somehow I was not able to express myself in a clear manner. I apologize to Art)y for making him feel this way and hope I can convince him I am not one sided, stubborn or ignorant.

I am not sure whether you are simply ignoring it or if you haven't yet understood the reason.

I DO understand when people give a reason. I never said I did not understand the reason you gave me. But I have asked Karasu. or Matdas to give a reason AT ALL, since they are the one's deciding Drahque should be unvouched. As you can see in their post in the LIHL-section, they only say Drahque should be unvouched and that they will watch his behaviour and skill for a re-vouch. 1. There is no reason given here. By creative induction you might say it is his behaviour and skill that got him unvouched, but that is just speculation. I wanted to hear either Karasu or Matdas actually say behaviour and skill were the reason.
To be clear I confirm Drahque has shown poor behaviour in the past. I will show you two posts of me which you probably already read, but for clarity's sake:
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=13785&start=10#p66330
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=13607&p=65521&hilit=i+agree+with+feor#p65521
As I am sure you have read everything before you accused me of being ignorant, I am also sure you know I TOTALLY agree that Drahque has shown poor behaviour at times.
2. Behaviour and skill are "all-purpose words" which you cannot prove or disprove. I want to see particular times, quotes, settings that show this. (because of the question I will ask later in this post)

I'll sum the reason up again: He has been warned, temporarily removed and now permanently unvouched until the season is over because of multiple misbehaviors.

This is the reason why I want Karasu and Matdas to exactly show their reason. The 'twisting and lying'-reason, which Matdas gave according to Drahque's earlier post has been punished already. The LIHL-moderators decided collectively and unanimously to unvouch Drahque 72 hours for his lying, twisting and dodging. So, although I did not perform the unvouch, I agreed with this too. After this unvouch, Drahque did nothing wrong anymore to my knowledge.

So what I am trying to ask here is this. Karasu and Matdas, is the reason you unvouch Drahque really the twisting and lying? Why did you think the 72 hour-unvouch that the LIHL-mods, who are responsible for the LIHL and are best informed, was not enough? What justifies that you increased the unvouch from 72 hours to permanent?
Art)y, this is a genuine question. Once they satisfactorily answer this I have no problem at all with unvouching Drahque. But at the moment of writing I have been trying to get this answer for 2 weeks, and all it got me was being ignored for a while and being called one-sided, stubborn, ignorant by a forum moderator who I feel should support me in being an honest and fair mod. Again, I'm sure my fuzzy posts contributed to this, so I mainly blame myself for this.

PS I never answered the 'skill'-question because Drahque has played over 150 games in season 1, and never got the attention of any mod that he was not skilled enough. To unvouch him little over a week in season 2 on the basis of skill is therefore impossible for me. Even if he played bad, he got some credit from season 1, and as everyone in the LIHL knows, everyone can have a bad streak.

PPS 500th post hurray!

Again, apologies to OP for this side-road.

[Drahque]

Again, apologies to OP for this side-road.

It's not a side-road, it's what I've been trying to say for a long long time. I have a hard time disproving something, when we don't even know the real reasoning's for my un-vouch.


1. If it's really my skill-levels, then there's very well respected players who disagree here:

I'm one of the few people who are willing to compromise with you as I understand you aren't that bad of a player.

you are a good LTD player i hope your thoughtful attitude thx for reading

2. If it's really my attitude that got me un-vouched, then there's plenty of other's on the same boat. I'll refrain from going into details here or mention names, but if necessary I wouldn't have a problem finding examples.


P.S. Just to make it clear, because it seems as if my purpose of this topic has been missunderstood; My topic is not a try to get Supersexyy, LihlDiabloDuck or Achillesgr banned, un-vouched or anything punishable. I only brought these examples up to show that I'm not the only one who can be "manipulative" and not the only one who is "disrespectful" or have "bad behavior" and to share why it is, I feel unfairly treated compared to others.

Edit: I've been told that I'm not the only one who got punished, but I really feel as if I'm.
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You were not the only one to be punished.

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[TUBBYzieKiNG]

I dont read the forum that often, like once a week or something and now i stumbled upon something interesting

Poor behaviour is one of the worst crimes in the LIHL. I'd much rather play with a newish player than get insulted while I'm playing a game. With no offence intended: the majority of players really disliked you being on their team to the point where players did not want to sign - this clearly shows the negative impact you had on the league.

Sad as it is, i am one of these players, when i end up in Drahque's team i probably end up with a lose and most likely a headache.

better to unvouch one dodger/flamer with a history than to lose other players because of him

Let's face the truth guys.
80% of the LIHL players disliked Drahque('s behaviour) from day 1 on and half of these players wished to see him unvouched because he destroyed a big part of the fun in games by flaming/raging/discussing over nonsense/thinking he knows everything better etc.

Also sad but true. Me and Drahque havent been best friends since long before either one of us signed to LIHL, and sadly our situation will never get any better. Now the question is how the majority dislike him in less than 2 months.

we don't hold conversations with terrorists

WTF? Since when have I been accused of being a terrorist? o.O',

216 posts since 7th june 2013.
Mickey has 500 posts since 19th jan 2013
So, u post like about 3x as much as a very active moderator
Terrorist is a bit dramatic, anarchist be more appropriate.

I know i only pointed out the negative thoughts, but as i said i only have the battle.net point of view and this is all i can conclude.

Also please all know, im fully neutral about Drahques vouch or unvouch honestly dont care.
Just remember Drahque, what Supersexxy stated

The LIHL is primarily about fairness, friends and most importantly - fun.

I honestly cant agree more, if at least 40% of the leaugue would dislike me and wants me unvouched i would just stop by initiative to not ruin their league and also, why would i still enjoy playing in it?








You ever tried Dota?

[finduilas]

P.S. Just to make it clear, because it seems as if my purpose of this topic has been missunderstood; My topic is not a try to get Supersexyy, LihlDiabloDuck or Achillesgr banned, un-vouched or anything punishable. I only brought these examples up to show that I'm not the only one who can be "manipulative" and not the only one who is "disrespectful" or have "bad behavior" and to share why it is, I feel unfairly treated compared to others.

Yeah, but even the name of the topic was harsh, giving the impression that doube moral standards are currently being applied.
According to Aristotle, equals should be treated equally and unequals unequally.
Imagine this were your school, mods/admins your teachers. Nobody is better or worse, but different. When a teacher comes once too late, the students cannot “punish” them, but teahcers can “punish” the students if they do. But a student can decide not to come 5 days without telling anyone and asking for permission. A teacher cannot, at least not without consequences that are worse.
(with the difference that teachers are paid for their time/effort, mods/admins are not)

If they think the punishment was enough, why should you bother if he does not repeat the mistake.
You have enough good reasons to demand a fair “process”, you don’t need this misgiving.

To keep the example school. When teachers tell you to behave, this is not limited just to the lessons but the breaks as well. You should not need someone to remind you.
On the other side it would be unfair if a teacher gave worse grades because they caught a student let’s say cutting of mid-sentences other students during a break. Ofc, this student shall learn not to do so.. but if they didn’t know their behavior in breaks is to be graded, this can hardly be fair.

Try to understand the other side. it really kills the fun if someone just generates bad atmosphere. Sometimes there is not much needed, just the final straw to break the chamel's back. But as you coudln't know that the behaviour here has an equal impact on this thing...In my opinion you deserve an explantation. maybe you could meet half ways. You could suggest something in return, to show your good will:p

[bit]

Processed. Re-apply next season if you will to do so.

Sexyy is back because people wants him back, he is actually helpful and so on, he just made a one little mistake, he lost his temper once, but well, I blame you for it too.

On the other side no one wants to deal again with a negative that came up with you. So no special treatment, just common sense. Trying to accuse everyone in this thread is another ressurance that you didn't improve much.

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Drahque: I wanted to play LIHL. Then I met MathewDK, which acted like a complete cunt. Now I don't anymore :)
"In LIHL we always send 1, 2 or 3." Thank you genius, everyone, in ALL games send 1, 2 or 3. "Stfu noob, you're not LIHL. In LIHL we sometimes save from 8 to 12 just to have a big send". Thank you genius, everyone above 1100 ELO knows about this strategy. It's common... Anyways, if that's a representation of the LIHL group, I'd rather eat shit than play there.

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lol'd. Improve your behaviour before next season, drahque, if you want to apply again (yes, in-game and on forums). you did too much shit, so your actions are easily catching permanent unvouch. the case is simple - everyone bored of your whining, slandering, and swanking.