DISCUSSION; How would no GG-mode effect Lihl?

[Drahque]

Someone asked me a good question about why we play with "gg"-mode (gold from leaks/king) and I've been wondering since what effect it would have on the league if we didn't play with it.

I spoke with a couple of people about it, and people mentioned things like:
- "I believe the bounty is too high"
- "Leaks to king makes the enemy team too powerful, and makes it much harder to win"
- "It allows people over-push income without a loss of bounty, since teammates can catch in middle"

Overall the gg-mode make towers such as Archer and Yggdrasil even more powerful for the team, because it not only allows the person to push insane income, but it also allows them to FEED their teammates meanwhile. Also the gg-mode allows one person to become fat and reach much higher value/income/score than he could've done without the leaks from the teammates. So my question is, what is the consensus about this topic?

[supersexyy]

Could do. Also could be used in conjunction with the old cross building rules as the most op thing about cross was 100% bounty.

[Feor]

Sounds terrible idea at the moment ( to me ) since everyone is playing all solo lane.

Could be good with double and cross building allowed again.

[Drahque]

The thing is, without gg-mode when someone leaks, the gold is "completely" gone from the team. But with gg-mode, either a teammate or enemies gets fed. This makes income towers an even more important asset for a team to win, since archers can push 7/7 and leak 10+11+12 without problems while teammates gets the gold.

So my point is; that gg-mode make rolls even more important for a teams chance to win.

[supersexyy]

No, your point is that high income leaking strategies are OP and can be nerfed with this mode.

[Diablo_]

I always wanted to try a no gg game. However, I think it will be even more unbalanced and will makae level 17 even harder. Might work with double/cross build, dunno.

[supersexyy]

On one hand values will be lower, on the other hand this should directly translate into lower income levels which means less sends.

[Feor]

On one hand values will be lower, on the other hand this should directly translate into lower income levels which means less sends.

Not really, just it will make it harder for people not having archers ( or a good combination of aoe like spawn hellraiser , or aqua with some proper support ) to catch up in income, making the already most overpowered unit of the game even better.

[supersexyy]

I'd say non-GG mode with solo lanes is stale. Non-gg mode with double is interesting and definitely implementable.

[Drahque]

it will make it harder for people not having archers.

Well, that's not entirely true - since on the other hand without gg-mode the leaks from archers on 10, 11, 12, (14) won't feed his teammates as much (except ofc lvl 10 which might be 100 % even without gg). Also any player who push income with any towers, such as mortars or aquas and leak let's say lvl 5, won't feed a teammate with the leaks, allowing him to hold lvl 10 with 7/3 for example. So somehow no-gg mode would make pushing income more risky and have less impact on the game (value-wise).

[Diablo_]

Archers don't really leak any level, so they would be even stronger ^^

Also, I think no gg mode would create a lot of frustration when one team mate has bad rolls or simply making a mistake which results in leaks on several levels etc. I think people would be way more aggresive to bad plays/mistakes cause they would have a far bigger impact on the game.

[willie64]

Might aswell add li mode...

No gg mode works if cross/double is allowed; Leaking becomes more more relevant in the game, adds a new meta; you are forced to play more safe. Making op towers more op, bad towers even worse.

For solo lane that is causing lame games, li mode causes lame games also... Short put I say NO to "no gg" mode. Simply because I enjoy the solo lane, less dependant on teammate buildstyle on 1 lane.

[DonaldtheDuckie]

No gg would give leaks a larger impact.

Archers don't really leak any level, so they would be even stronger ^^

Also, I think no gg mode would create a lot of frustration when one team mate has bad rolls or simply making a mistake which results in leaks on several levels etc. I think people would be way more aggresive to bad plays/mistakes cause they would have a far bigger impact on the game.

I agree with the Archers point, as bosses still give 100 pct even without gg.

I also think that it would make people more aggressive and less relaxed about playing with people that make a lot of mistakes compared to the usual lihler. The way I see it, there is no reason for making the lihl more aggressive than it already is ;p.

But You could try playing games without gg. I played a lot of private inhouse games without gg many years ago, think it was 3.3 then, and it definately changes the gameplay a little. I know the heads of the clan UC loved to play hybrid without mm and gg. So to sum it up, It's a matter of preference.

[eldryan]

Might aswell add li mode...

No gg mode works if cross/double is allowed; Leaking becomes more more relevant in the game, adds a new meta; you are forced to play more safe. Making op towers more op, bad towers even worse.

For solo lane that is causing lame games, li mode causes lame games also... Short put I say NO to "no gg" mode. Simply because I enjoy the solo lane, less dependant on teammate buildstyle on 1 lane.

i vote add li mode. this way, no1 can inc and i can win by overvalue like bo$$. also add beta mode, and do NS.

[iightfyre]

IMO we already have too many rules and it makes game play less interesting. This is just my opinion although I know that it is shared by some of the community.